TSB Aug 2006 - '03-'07 Moonroof Stuck

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since I had the TSB performed on my moonroof (they replaced everything but the glass) I noticed the wind deflector does not go down over 60mph...its in the same place at any speed...
 
Iron Clad Lou said:
since I had the TSB performed on my moonroof (they replaced everything but the glass) I noticed the wind deflector does not go down over 60mph...its in the same place at any speed...

It should go down when accelerating over 55mph and then raise back up when you speed decreases to 45mph.
 
toybox said:
It should go down when accelerating over 55mph and then raise back up when you speed decreases to 45mph.

yea, it used to, but since the TSB, it does not anymore. I havent noticed a difference in wind noise...its basically down all the time now...is this right?
 
Does anybody know if the TSB on the Moon Roof extends the warranty for any period of time?

Thanks toto for posting the TSB.
 
Iron Clad Lou said:
yea, it used to, but since the TSB, it does not anymore. I havent noticed a difference in wind noise...its basically down all the time now...is this right?

No, it is not right but I can't see an increase in wind noise if it is stuck in the down position as opposed to being stuck at the high position a highway speeds. Regardless, it should move. It is pretty subtle thought so I would double check it.
 
biglatka said:
Does anybody know if the TSB on the Moon Roof extends the warranty for any period of time?

Thanks toto for posting the TSB.

Technically speaking, no. But if you have an issue with this after the warranty period and show them the TSB for it they may do it anyway or give you a break. I printed this out and will file it for such an occasion should the problem arise for me again.
 
Printing it and saving it is a good idea. Alldata only keeps them online for 6 months for free access. But if you really had to find one after that, you could pay to access the Toyota Tech Info System web site ($10/day).
 
Why doesn't Toyota recommend lubing the moonroof every six months. This should be protocol now that they know the problems with this darn thing.

I will lube my moonroof system every six months with a light coating of synthetic grease. I've had my truck for about 2 1/2 yrs and open the moonroof frequently without any problems. Knock on wood that I haven't had any problems but will buy the lube this weekend to address this problem before it becomes an issue.
 
Sorry if I'm asking this in the wrong place or if it's been asked before, but is there a way to see all the TSB's for my model of 4runner (2005 ltd V8 AWD).

The site "alldata" just lists all toyota TSB's...I dont have time to search through all those. The other site that Thai listed in his sticky for 2003 models requires you to pay, if im not mistaken.

I just started finding out about a bunch of these TSB's and it has me concernced. Just want my 4R in tip top shape. Thanks.
 
If speed is most important to you, I'd pay the $10 to access TIS for one day (the site Thai mentioned). TIS will let you search by model and year, and it has all TSB's right there in PDF format. http://techinfo.toyota.com. It also has your Owners Manual and the Service Manual online, but with each section in a PDF file; they're not one big file for easy downloading. Maybe that's also useful to you.

There are other sites that will give you a list of TSB titles by model and year for free, but then you'd have to hunt down the contents of each TSB yourself. Alldata only offers those issued in the last 6 months for free.
 
I am currently having a Toyota dealer replace the entire moonroof in my 05 4Runner as it got stuck open the other day. We had to really fight w/ the extended warranty dude to approve it, as it wasn't cheap (> $2500). The TSB mentioned in this thread is no longer available I guess. Can somebody please send me a copy?

Thanks,

Mike
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No problems here (knock wood) I've been using it a lot lately.

Not to sound like a dumb ass , but how do you know its broke? Is it like your driving around with it open and hit the switch to close and and nothing happens ? that would suck if your going to close it because its starting to rain.

If there is a tsb , wouldn't they cover it if its out of warranty anyway ?
 
Work for a TSB is only free if the right warranty (bumper-to-bumper, powertrain, or emissions) is still in effect. If the part(s) are not under any warranty, then you'd have to pay for it.
 
Thanks for posting, Toto!

Yea, I was drivin' down the road on a nice sunny morning, opened it up, heard a terrible clunk or snap, and then the thing wouldn't close. Rain was predicted for the next 4 days! Got it in to the Toyota dealer and then the fight w/ the extended warranty folks began. They finally relented to pay and I pick it up tonight, 6 days later (including the weekend).

Mike
 
I was thinking of picking up an extended warranty before I hit 36k miles, and one of the main reasons that I consider doing this is because of the expensive sunroof issues.

Can you elaborate on why the extended warranty folks were giving you a hassle about covering the sunroof? Is it a Toyota warranty or a third-party warranty?

I just assumed that the sunroof would be covered with no questions asked.
 
The warranty is provided by a group called GS Administrators in Houston. It was purchased when the previous owner bought the vehicle new from the Toyota dealer. I assume it is the standard extended warranty they try to sell you when you buy a new Toyota. I had it transferred to me when I bought the car from the new owner w/ 5K miles on it, for $100 transfer fee. Good decision ;*) It covers up to 100K miles.

The rep for GS Administrators tried to convince the Toyota repair guys that they could fix the moonroof instead of replace it, which they argued they could not. Until the Toyota repair guys had the moonroof out of the vehicle and disassembled to show him why not, he witheld approval to fix. In the end he was convinced.

I picked up the car last night. Total cost was $2126, fully covered by my extended warranty.

Mike
 
Have an '05 model that recently started making the infamous crunching noise when trying to open or close the moonroof. I did the TSB myself today and think I have resolved my problem. Details follow:

The noise would come on under two conditions:
1) when the moonroof was fully open and I tried to close it, at which point the moonroof would not close unless I messed with the wind deflector.
2) when opening the moonroof and it reached the fully open position, where it began to try to raise the wind deflector automatically.

The noise would come from the overhead console area - and sounded like plastic gears grinding very loudly.

Well, I got the TSB from this thread and read over it. It's really nothing all that technical. Basically turned out to be a 3-4 out of 10 banana job. Only tools needed are some rags, some grease, a flat headed screwdriver, and a torx screwdriver (optional). The TSB points out that the grease on the mechanism that works the wind deflector dries out and the sunroof binds up. This can cause the sunroof to shift and get out of alignment, and then you're really screwed.

This is what was happening to mine. The gear box and motor for the sunroof are in the overhead console. They mesh with a pair of threaded rods that project laterally and control the cables that open/close the sunroof. The wind deflector raises via a pair of rods that come forward from the rear of the sunroof area and push on a pair of plastic "guide rail holders". The deflector has little arms that pivot on these holders as they move, causing the deflector to go up.

The problem is that the grease around these holders dries up and turns to cement. If the holders don't move, due to being stuck in place, the sunroof binds at the point when the wind deflector should be raising or lowering. This causes the motor to grind on the little threaded rods and it makes the horrible noise.

FRO-RUNNER has long been an advocate of lubricating the rails where these parts sit, and I think he has been giving good advice. However, I would also suggest that people go to the effort to follow the TSB and take these little "holders" out to clean the old grease out from under them. Even if you lube the mechanism religiously like FRO-RUNNER does (and I had done this too), you can still get problems because that original petrified grease is still under those parts that are supposed to be moving. I don't think the holders move enough for anyone to clean out all the grease, without actually taking them completely out first.

I should note that the TSB entails replacing the holders with redesigned ones. I didn't do this. I just cleaned them up, re-greased them, and made sure they moved in the rail without too much resistance. Also, the TSB lists a step of taking the moonroof glass out and making sure the carriers are aligned properly. I didn't do this, as my moonroof appeared to be in proper alignment, but the process did not appear to be difficult at all.

Bottom line, IMHO, people with sunroofs should disassemble, clean, and re-lube those guide rail holders (with a grease that will not solidify) as preventive maintenance - and especially if you're out of warranty.
 
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