Biggest tires w/o lift?

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zuhl

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Hey, I dont really use this forum much so I dont know where to look even though I am sure this question has been asked. What is the biggest tire that can be put on this truck without a lift. My wife needs new tires soon and I am looking around. She has a 2wd SR5 with 17" rims.

I am pretty sure that a 265/70/R17 would fit, but it might rub a little. Especially if we got the BFG A/Ts with that sharp corner. I saw BFG now makes the A/T in a 265/65/R17, but it is a load range E, so I think it would ride like crap. General makes the Grabber A/T2 in a 255/70/R17 and a 265/65/R17 and it looks EXACTLY like the BFG A/T so I was thinking about that one. It is a regular ply tire and is a lot cheaper too.

My other thought is a Goodyear Wrangler Silent Armor or a BFG rugged trail. My only concern with the Rugged Trail is that in a 265/65/R17 the tread depth is pretty shallow compared to their other sizes.

She wants something to make it look tougher (even though she only drives in town). I dont think she realize tougher also comes with rougher ride and noisier. So I am trying to find a good balance. I am a little gunshy of the BF A/Ts because they wear like crap if you dont rotate religously, and she does not.


Any ideas are appreciated.
 
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zuhl said:
Hey, I dont really use this forum much so I dont know where to look even though I am sure this question has been asked. What is the biggest tire that can be put on this truck without a lift. My wife needs new tires soon and I am looking around. She has a 2wd SR5 with 17" rims.

I am pretty sure that a 265/70/R17 would fit, but it might rub a little. Especially if we got the BFG A/Ts with that sharp corner. I saw BFG now makes the A/T in a 265/65/R17, but it is a load range E, so I think it would ride like crap. General makes the Grabber A/T2 in a 255/70/R17 and a 265/65/R17 and it looks EXACTLY like the BFG A/T so I was thinking about that one. It is a regular ply tire and is a lot cheaper too.

My other thought is a Goodyear Wrangler Silent Armor or a BFG rugged trail. My only concern with the Rugged Trail is that in a 265/65/R17 the tread depth is pretty shallow compared to their other sizes.

She wants something to make it look tougher (even though she only drives in town). I dont think she realize tougher also comes with rougher ride and noisier. So I am trying to find a good balance. I am a little gunshy of the BF A/Ts because they wear like crap if you dont rotate religously, and she does not.


Any ideas are appreciated.
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I think you've done your homework. To my knowledge the BFG K/O in 265/70/17 is the only 265/70 that rubs at all. You can use almost any other tire. I like the idea of a 255/70 or 255/75 too. The slightly narrower profile will allow for a taller tire without any UCA rubbing.

There are many posts on the 265/70/17 size on stock T4R's. Here's a recent one for some more dicussion: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=43950

:cheers:
 
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Since she doesn't go off-road, stick to the stock sizing. You will gain no benefits of a bigger tire, they will be slightly more expensive, and your MPG will suffer.

BFG's do not do well in the rain. This should be a huge deterrent in getting these for your wife. They excel in off-road situations, but this does not apply to you. The same goes for the General Grabbers.

If you really want an AT tire, I suggest the REVO's and the Silent Armors. They ride very well on the street and do great in the rain and packed snow.

Oh, one last thing, do NOT get Rugged Trails. They are the stock tires that come on TRD Tacoma's and they are crap. I don't know how many times I've almost killed myself with those tires.
 
I too would like to get the BFG A/T KO's; I had them on my Tacoma and they were a great tire. Fantastic in the snow.. but yes, they were a bit weak in the rain. For the snow performance, though, more than an acceptable trade off.

The A/T in a 265/65/R17 is indeed load range E, and I'm concerned with it's ride quality.

I've got Yokohama Geolander A/T's now, but I'm hoping by next winter BFG offers the A/T KO's in something less than E.
 
p nut said:
Since she doesn't go off-road, stick to the stock sizing. You will gain no benefits of a bigger tire, they will be slightly more expensive
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Actually, in most cases, a 265/65R17 tire will be more expensive than a 265/70R17 tire just for the single fact that a 65 series in a 265 wide 17 rim is less common than a 70 series.

I know for a fact that a 265/65R17 Nokian Vatiiva at Kal-Tire was almost $250 per tire, where as the 265/70R17 was only $211!!! Almost $40 a tire cheaper for a larger size!

The 265/70R17 tires that I went with (Nokians) rub a little bit on the plastic liner only on a 3/4 to full turn. Not a big deal though.

Oh, and with a slightly larger tire, your MPG will drop as well.

Just FYI.
 
Tempsho said:
Actually, in most cases, a 265/65R17 tire will be more expensive than a 265/70R17 tire just for the single fact that a 65 series in a 265 wide 17 rim is less common than a 70 series.

I know for a fact that a 265/65R17 Nokian Vatiiva at Kal-Tire was almost $250 per tire, where as the 265/70R17 was only $211!!! Almost $40 a tire cheaper for a larger size!
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I guess in some cases that might be true. I was looking at REVO's, SilentArmors and LTX AT2's, which were all slightly more expensive for the larger size.
 
Thanks for the help. I am leaning toward the Silent Armors but only hesistate because I had a pair in the past on my Ridgeline that I could not get to balance worth a damn. But they were 256/60/R18s, so they were a real oddball size and very low sidewall. I think a more common side with more sidewall might be better. I do like the look of them and I know they were quiet.
 
I put my vote in for Nitto Terra Grappler- good all around tire and they are very affordable. I got mine for $500 out the door, not including the spare.
 
I have 31.8" BFG Mud Terrains on a 2007 and they BARELY fit.

I won't get my lift until next week but it's very very close to rubbing the wheel well.
 
Thanks! One last question- she drives this thing like a maniac. She does not get the concept that this big 4500lb vehicle with a high CG cannot be driven like her old Accord Coupe. Do the 265/70s effect handling noticeabley? I am worried about making it any less stable. I have had taller tires than this myself, but I respect physics, whereas she could give a crap :-)
 
zuhl said:
Thanks! One last question- she drives this thing like a maniac. She does not get the concept that this big 4500lb vehicle with a high CG cannot be driven like her old Accord Coupe. Do the 265/70s effect handling noticeabley? I am worried about making it any less stable. I have had taller tires than this myself, but I respect physics, whereas she could give a crap :-)
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COG is higher, therefore less stable. May not affect it THAT much, but SUV's already have a high chance of roll-over. Teach her to drive better or get her a Subaru.
 
p nut said:
Since she doesn't go off-road, stick to the stock sizing. You will gain no benefits of a bigger tire, they will be slightly more expensive, and your MPG will suffer.

BFG's do not do well in the rain. This should be a huge deterrent in getting these for your wife. They excel in off-road situations, but this does not apply to you. The same goes for the General Grabbers.

If you really want an AT tire, I suggest the REVO's and the Silent Armors. They ride very well on the street and do great in the rain and packed snow.
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OK - I have to 2nd this statement - FROM EXPERIENCE.

I really wanted the BFG A/T KO - and at the time I bought, there was only the 265/70s available. I HATED them as soon as I put them on. Too much tire unless you are SERIOUS about off-roading and you do not care about on-road performance. My decision to replace them was made the night I was sliding around on light snow and rain with the BFG A/T. I may have been stupid to put such a tire on the 4R and I will admit my mistake. I am not an off-roader who would benefit from the BFG A/T - and now I LOVE the BS REVOs. Fantastic tire. However, I am biased - I have never disliked a Bridgestone yet. Therefore, when replacing the BFGs I did not consider anything else.

I hope this info helps you out. Good luck.

M

P.S. - one thing I forgot to add - the BFGs significantly changed the way our 2005 T4R Sport drove and handled. One of the best things about the truck is the way it drives/handles. It all of the sudden felt like I was driving around on stilts.
 
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Had some experience with BFG poor rain performance. About 10 years ago a set sent me hydroplaning right through a barbed wire fence. Not cool at all.

I think I will look at the NTG and the GY Wrangler SAs. Maybe teh Bridgestones but they are too darn expensive. Thanks for all the help!
 
zuhl said:
Had some experience with BFG poor rain performance. About 10 years ago a set sent me hydroplaning right through a barbed wire fence. Not cool at all.

I think I will look at the NTG and the GY Wrangler SAs. Maybe teh Bridgestones but they are too darn expensive. Thanks for all the help!
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I would think twice about the Nitto's, too. They don't channel water that well (better than BFG's, but still not the best), and their snow performance is horrible (in my experience).

IMO, I think you should just go with a P-rated all-season tire. They will be quieter, lighter (better MPG), have a better ride, and better on-road traction. I've actually taken a few off-road, as well, and didn't do that bad (very mild off-road).
 
I use Firestone Destination M\T's, in 265\70\17. They look mean and they have worked awesome for me. My friend has some on his '08 FJ also. the MPG does suffer a bit but they dont rub. My contribution...lol
 
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