Each to their own. Yeah I will say nothing compares because, honestly not many people will tune their projectors significantly as mine are. IMHO, if anyone is willing to mod their car, SUV, or truck, they will mod it properly and do things properly. Yeah, there are people looking to take short-cuts and what not, but where is the pride in that. Retrofitting isn't for everyone. As for the 5th gen guys, well that's their opinion, a very judgmental one. First of all you're putting yourself and others in danger while running HIDs in a reflector housing, there is a reason many cars do not come with HIDs in reflector housings. Yes some run D2rs, which are a D2 hid bulb run in reflectors (Lexus used these in their cars during the early 2000s until the projector craze). Like I said the factory projector is only halogen based, it has a frensel lens, its not the best out there. A lot of the guys on this site like to open their headlights and paint them black, so why not take it a step farther and replace it with a direct drop in, for added safety and visibility?