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Originally Posted by MAST4R
I am as big of a fan of stock as anyone, but the reality is that the 4R's stock suspension is really not made for frequent off-roading. It forces excruciatingly slow speeds when it is not necessary and causes more hits when crawling than needed. It gets the job done but leaves too much to be desired, on road as well.
I just replaced the 600lb springs with 650lb. The plush feel is gone as is much of the nose dive. All this bodes well for offroading. I felt the 600lb were too soft the moment I got off my curb sideways (it is kinda steep). There was too much movement in the front. Not so now. Cornering on road went from great with the 600lb Bilsteins to amazing for a vehicle of this type.
I have to say that maybe I am partly at fault for not realizing I need the 650lb from the get go. Maybe the Bilstein springs are build to super tight specs. My 3/16 skid plates did not faze the Dobinsons springs but they do add 60lb extra weight in the front half. Add some weight from the sliders, too, and maybe I am beyond the lower threshold of the 650lb springs, which is 80lb over stock.
At least replacing the springs was a quick job though I always work alone. Hope I am done though as this is the 4th set of front coils on my 4R in 20 months. Consider that just 3 years ago I would not touch a suspension on my own, lol.
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Thanks for the great info. I am on my 2nd spring in 12 months - learning the hard way here. I initially ran a 660lbs springs on eibach shocks without any hardware upfront. We subjectively found the ride to be too stiff for DD and was too bouncy offroad. As I am now generally happy with the 600lbs springs on the 6112, I am wondering if skids or sliders will negatively affect the ride. I am also curious if KDSS with the 660lbs spring without any front weight was overboard out the gate.
