@DannyLlama I’ve been looking at them for awhile now, been to several shows and saw at least 20 different ones. I liked the chaser from AToverland, it’s not on their site listing anymore but they’ve posted that they are still available. Xventure looks great, but pricy with that new slide out kitchen. I think we decided to hold off for now, I just struggle with the idea of hauling a trailer everywhere. Those CVT are a good price point as you could add things as needed. I agree with others about turtleback being pretty pricey. I’ve looked at the ITWoverland which is sort of a tear drop, for the cost I think you get a lot. IN the end I think I’m going to try and get more efficient and make the kids keep the dog on the second row and try to add more to my rear bumper, will see if I can make that work.