Originally Posted by Lexington

I think anyone here who is providing personal experience, especially when they give info such as road condition, weather and tire wear is providing data. We just need more of it to narrow down what’s causing it.

Sorry I didn’t mean to say it wasn’t a factor at all. I just don’t feel it’s a primary factor that is causing KO2s slip when wet from my personal exp. I have lived in California most of my life. I’ll be 60 soon. As far as first rain of the season goes, there is always a slight increase of accidents because of all the oil build up over the summer and the first rains brings them up to the surface until a few rain storms wash it away. But do these conditions make the KO2 more prone to slipping compared to other AT tires. Unknown.

I’ve only experienced slipping with two cars in my life time, my RX7 and 4Runner. My RX7 slipped several times. I finally changed my tires and the problem went away. The other was two years ago in March in my 4Runner. There had been very heavy rain earlier that day and temp was in the high 50’s. My rear tires slid 3 times that day. I had Nitto Terra Grapplers on that came with the vehicle when I bought it. I believe they were half worn when I got rid of them shortly afterwards. All of my slipping experience happened in the winter or early spring during or just after heavy rain. Also, I’ve been running KO/KO2 for over 20 years on my SUVs and never had an issue with them for any reason. This is why in my opinion I feel the first rains isn’t a big factor here. That said, I’m not saying it doesn’t happen. I’m sure it has. But for everyone who’s complained about the tires slipping when wet, how many experienced this after the first rains? We really don’t have enough data to say either way.

Anyway, I definitely agree with you that even though people are aware of the first rains hazards or other hazards for that matter, there are still plenty of idiots that ignore them. It’s just like me watching YouTube video of people driving in the snow. A high portion of the crashes occur just from people driving to fast. And that, as you say, are from people who have bad driving habits.