As I can see from elsewhere, I am continually taken out of context and a message gets muddled as a result unfortunately.

Not only that particular issue, but the aspect of intentionally ignorant trolling by a set of folks on several Toyota forums/spaces who somehow want to be the smartest person in the room on any given subject or wisest "skeptic", yet cannot deliver in terms of any given rebuttal, because they're bereft of any tangible information themselves.

You're welcome to be personally skeptical over any information I put forward, but unless you have your own Toyota contacts like I do or currently work for Toyota, you don't know a damn thing and I don't care to hear from you personally. Nor do I care for you attempting to mislead anyone else, who unlike you, are actually trying to get a better idea of developments coming along.

I have better things to do with my limited time on forums, than argue with you back & forth, if and when you are arguing in bad faith. Get a life and do something productive with your free time, than wasting mine and everyone else's, pushing misinformation, if you are not here to make real contributions that aid the greater collective.

Surely there are sub-forums for Gen 1-5 and other Toyota vehicles, for you to shitpost in, if you are that uninformed and can't put two and two together, at this point in time? This isn't 5 years ago, so you have no excuse.

As I f**king said before, Toyota will be launching the next 4Runner for MY 2025, in September of 2024 per the CURRENT point in time. Before that? At Tahara, the next generation Land Cruiser Prado and GX enter production this October, for December 2023 launch. November 2023 for JDM versions.

The 2024 Tacoma TRD PRO is the T24A-FTS Hybrid Max, powered by 240 KW and 630 NM (converted to avoid Google searches). This is from someone who has seen the vehicle and knows information on it. That will be out in spring 2024 and before that the regular Tacoma should be December or January.

The 243 HP and 186 lb-ft of the Highlander Hybrid is not going to be identical to the longitudinal setup in the Tacoma. Horsepower and Torque has been massaged, to be more suitable for truck use.

For those who really need the extra power and not so much great fuel economy, there are other choices such as 2GR-FKS and the TRD PRO halo offering. I cannot speak on Trail Hunter, because I haven't asked it. I have not heard from these sources on the sub-300 hp T24A being offered, but if it is I will be shocked, because I haven't anything about that at all, other than stupid media like TFL and vloggers with no independent source verifying such claims.

When I have stated 2GR-FKS, I didn't say it will only be offered with a manual transmission. I stated that it will be the lone engine for that transmission, if the tentative decision to carryover RC62F into the TNGA-F architecture, means a 6MT Tacoma might still be available in being standard on the V6, with auto optional only. Every other powertrain is auto only.

In terms of the powertrains, I do not know if the 4Runner will have non-HM T24A-FTS 2.4T as the base engine or if A25A-FXS 2.5L will be offered as the NA hybrid option, with Hybrid Max 2.4T on top. I am again only passing on any information I was told and trust to be accurate. There are so many theories I hear, that I don't even mention publicly, in sounding contradictory to me and I'm not willing to risk it coming from me as "credible". If turns out to be true, still not ruskin

Hell, for all I know 1GR-FE isn't gone either. My source mentioned why and for how long 1GR-FE will be manufactured, but hides from me the full lineup, probably figuring out I talk too much about what he tells me.

A Hybrid Only 4Runner isn't outlandish, as I mostly hear about Hybrids regarding 4Runner. I am afraid to ask, because it becomes somewhat self-serving to ask someone and then spill it here. I prefer to be told, than ask too many questions and scare someone away, from being too nosy.

Now onto the Land Cruiser, yes that is coming and even though I stubbornly tried to believe it wasn't a Prado, yes it unfortunately is (IMO). I don't see how a vehicle that large can successfully compete against a Bronco and Wrangler with a fixed roof, when it is still treated in some markets as a luxury SUV where Lexus isn't sold. When the Fortuner already exists, what's the point of making the Prado more rugged?

That should be here this December (and hopefully not summer 2024 like one idiot said to me).

As for the Lexus GX? Well, that's unfortunately a reskinned Prado once again it means, but quite an offering to look forward to, if you don't require a V8 under the hood. A loaded GX will reach well into the $80s, if not touch $90k with every possible accessory a dealer can tack on.

TX 550h+ will be a Lexus exclusive PHEV vehicle based on a transverse version of the GX 550h powertrain and a plug-in, out by this Christmas. Will the be most expensive Lexus unibody crossover ever, reaching over $80k loaded and pushing out roughly 400 hp.

TX 350 (underpowered) and TX 500h will arrive before it in September. This will start in the low $50s, TX 500h at under $70k.

GX BEV is again in whiteboard phases and early discussions, once GX 550 launch draws nearer, full committal to the program will begin and a final design approval should be reached by the end of 2025 or early half of 2026, in order to be ready for scheduled January 2029 Job 1. Styling work should be in the advanced stages soon (if not already), moving to production planning sometime next year.

I didn't comment on it months ago, due to lack of personal interest, but since the question came up from @Jetboy , I decided to bring it up recently.

The Land Cruiser 300 will be facelifted for 2025, on another tidbit of information I ignored from months ago and also didn't think much of, until I realized my source was disclosing to me a refreshed LX with new hybrid and ditto for LC300. This is the LX 700h trademark recently filed. This is a rushed facelift, as typically these are launched more than 4 years out. Also the case for the 2025 Tundra, which has many surprises planned that I am skeptical of and won't comment on publicly.

I thought I made it somewhat clear in my last post, why I no longer discuss Ford related matters in these kind of online spaces? This very comment I made here in 2020 at Lexus Enthusiast as my final post forever (after a decade), should answer your question on the stance I've taken to avoid partisan conflict. I don't like being put in that awkward position, just because I (favorably) discuss the competition in my personal time without slanted criticism or objectively with enthusiasm.

I'm an enthusiast, who also happens to be a working professional with a competitive position against some of my personal interests. I am not employed by Toyota Motor North America nor Global, so there are less conflicts of interest to talk about what they're doing for the future. Well, other than the competitive aspect.

Users here are welcome to bash or constructively criticize Ford Motor Company if they want to for their own personal reasons, but for professional reasons I cannot not participate in such topics, as it becomes an unwelcome conflict of interest of sorts for me.

I also pretty much cease posting in a medium when such a pattern comes to a head. Where it can easily descend into heated arguments on company vs company and putting me on the defensive, in any given thread I'm regularly involved in. I have no choice but to stop posting, due to existing policies I abide by. Whether I agree or disagree on given matters.

I believe Toyota has something similar posted here for their own employees. I'm not here to discuss these kind of Ford matters and I hope people can respect that, since we are discussing the future of the 4Runner and TNGA-F vehicles, not why X and Y competitor is Z reason (good or bad).

In my personal view not representative of FMC, Jim F. has spent the last 2.5 years to right the Ford ship, having once worked for Toyota himself years ago. These things take time and everyone has to be on the same page too. Toyota has many of its own issues, which continue to appear as of late and I never make it my business to criticize them, not to mention I get annoyed at Blue Oval brethren in casual convo, who are ever so hypocritical to point fingers at Toyota and deride them, albeit sometimes immaturely. I'm fairly objective about everything I discuss and don't play favorites, outside of speaking with my dollars on vehicles I acquire.

I know a hell of a lot about both companies and one thing they both share, is there are two well known namesake families involved with them, unlike the rest of the core competition. (And ironically both luxury brands start with L)

I do not want to be discussing any controversial Ford related topic here and is why I stick to threads like this, which generally are focused solely on Toyota developments. I cannot do it objectively nor act as a official representative on the defense.

Thank you. I am just passing on internal insight, which matches other insight to the best of my knowledge. I recently was PMed by not just 1, but 2 users here that work for Toyota. They gave me a thumbs up. Off the clock, Toyota is not the enemy to me. In reality, I'd say that's more so GM and Tesla...

Ignore his nonsense, as he's obviously trolling. No one at Toyota agrees with him and everyone knows what's happening with the missed launch dates. Since last June, the 4Runner has been scheduled for MY 2025. From early 2021 to June 2022, it was MY 2024, halfway through the model year (got informed in June 2021).

From mid-2019 to early 2021, it was MY 2023, which is why you saw an early 2020 launch timetable showing it for CY 2022 launch alongside the Sequoia.

It was supposed to debut midsize TNGA-F first, but that ended up being the Tacoma and 180-Series vehicles.

It should've been updated with a second facelift sooner, but the amount of lead time involved to commit to + execute any type of MMC, is still measured in years (2-3). A redesigned 4Runner, when the 6th generation effort was resurrected 6-7 years ago, was coming no earlier than Q4 of 2021. It was targeted for 1 year after Tundra (October 2020) and 1-2 years after Land Cruiser 300 (originally late 2019-early 2020).

With both 300 Series and Tundra often being delayed in the late 2010s, anything below them had to be as well. Toyota wanted to announce the 2021 Tundra together with iForceMAX and when that fell behind, as well as struggling to implement that engine on the 300-Series, everything on TNGA-F fell behind 1 model year. Toyota has run into these kind of issues in the past, but is trying to better manage when model launches start overlapping too much.

Actually, Honda was very dumb squeezing so many new models into the 2023 model year, meaning they might risk fighting for resources at the same time later on. Between the Civic range in 2021, multiple versions of that, HR-V differing versions, CR-V, Accord, and Pilot, it was a damn mess.

That being said, Richie like many trolls is not here to discuss this in good faith, but in bad faith and center himself as the one who knows what's really happening, because the rest of you are somehow suckers. Well, he doesn't one bit unfortunately and such people arguing in bad faith are usually not worth the wasted time, in trying to steer them in the right direction.

He could've known it all on his own if he wanted to, but hasn't (I figure) and instead prefers to derail discussion like a common troll, as if he somehow discovered there's no cure for cancer and all the oncologists worldwide, should stop trying to treat cancer patients.

Toyota hides their internal missteps extremely well, but not always. I don't like to speak critically of any company, I just prefer to provide information on what I know is happening at the current point in time regarding future product. I'm not on here criticizing their slow adoption of BEVs nor lack of high-performance models, akin to Raptor, AMG (Lexus), or etc. Other people focus on that and rail them over the coals, forgetting Toyota delivers on many OTHER aspects.

The delays are related to internal missteps and the course correcting responses taking time to implement, plus shuffling around some model launches from the unexpected delays making model launches clash with each other.

The increasing sales of current N280 4Runner has been a nice cushion to fallback on, while Toyota finishes up its replacement vehicle. They didn't feel this was something to rely on a decade ago when they were ready to discontinue it on the belief ladder frame utilities had fallen out of favor in the Anglophone Western Hemisphere and Western Europe, with the only market for them being other markets, via future 300, Prado 180-Series, and next Fortuner. Sequoia, even GX, and 4Runner were as good as dead.

Well, the Sequoia was renewed at the same time the 4Runner was in 2015, but urgently needed some cosmetic attention for the 2018 model year after not being updated since launch in December 2007.

The decision to skip another big 4Runner refresh (MMC), after the big 2014 MY MMC, is one I can attribute to Toyota taking a wait and see approach, towards investing as little as possible before a FMC in late 2021.

With an end of 2021 JOB 1 date at the start of being greenlit for development over 5 years, the only MY for cosmetic updates would've been MY 2019 in late 2018. In late 2014, the 4Runner had no plans for a future like the FJ. Unlike the FJ, that would mean the entire N280 would be killed off, since the primary market was N. Amer in terms of justified volume.

The Prado got its second update for MY 2018 in September 2017, while GX and 4Runner were ignored and left untouched for 2018. They were supposed to be MY 2019 in late 2018.

What ended up happening was a much lighter second N280 MMC arrived late for 2020MY, in 2019 alongside the 2020MY Tacoma MMC (625B; nee 989A).

The redesigned 2022 4Runner (November 2021) and 2023 Tacoma (August 2022) had also just fallen behind in mid-2019 from the previous internal timeline to now October 2022 and September 2023 as the 2023 4Runner (930B) and 2024 Tacoma (920B). They completed design work on that new 4Runner originally in early 2020 and began prototype testing of the vehicle in North America, in early 2021. (Not sure if the design was reworked, because a design frozen in 2020 will be outdated in late 2024.)

During 2021, several midsize TNGA-F vehicles suffered more delays at different times of the year. In the first half of 2021, the Prado/GX/4Runner ended up being 2024 MY vehicles, alongside the 2024 Tacoma. The Tacoma got delayed from August 2023 Job 1 for late September launch, to December 2023 Job 1 for Winter 2024 launch.

The 4Runner itself was among the worst, going from Late Summer 2022 Job 1, 2023 MY to January 2024 Job 1, March 2024 launch as a 2024 MY. The 150-Series replacements were now scheduled to arrive in late 2023 before the 4Runner and no longer in parallel. Last May, I heard new correspondence everything was still coming along for January 2024 Job 1.

Then a few weeks later in June, I newly heard from my primary source, quite frantically of some pre-production 930 Program processes being shifted back exactly 6 months from July 2023 to January 2024. I was told this meant, July 2024 Job 1 for MY 2025. I don't know exactly when Toyota begins pilot production as a standard measure, but it is usually half a year before SOP at most OEMs.

For now, that's what will happen. September 2024 launch. If it changes again, I have no control over it and will report it privately only going forward to anyone I want to share it with.

As of recent, per a Plano HQ source:

4Runner, Tacoma, Land Cruiser Prado, and GX are coming to North America through the end of 2024. There should be no complaints about them, when everything becomes public.

No single pessimist trying to pout and shout gloom and doom, will undermine that reality LOL. In fact, I think I'll address that privately, so that this doesn't affect my ability to be confided in...