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Here in NJ. The Tacoma is much much more expensive to buy then a 4runner. Like the same Tacoma that has he 3.4 and frame.
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two quick thoughts

1) i love that OP posts in haikus. i know the start of this thread is 4 years old, but i hope that he sees and appreciates my love for a seldom seen forum verse. so many more are in iambic pentameter... sigh

B) yes, 4rs hold insane value. i would guess that has something to do with the perfect SUV size, coupled with the fact that they're one of the last truly overbuilt toyotas that will do 400k miles plus
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2000 4Runner SR5, auto, 4x4, no e-locker, with 89,xxx miles (129,6xx Km).
- vehicle was garage kept by senior owner / frame & floor are in extremely good shape
- it has tiny dent on the rear bumper, but zero sheet metal dents or scratches
- original paint with zero panel rust & interior is super clean...overall, a 9.5 out of 10, even clear coat is perfect
- maintained at Toyota/Lexus Dealership, since new
- before trade in / new timing belt, OEM radiator & BFG tires
- sold to my buddy through a Dealer-2-Dealer Auction
- 1.5 years ago: this friend sold it to me for $7,000 US$ (or Paid $9,000 Cdn), including Govn. safety check & E-test
- included in the purchase price was 4 wheel premium brake job, rear axle seals & Koyo bearings, LBJ, muffler

^^ Up in the winter rock-salt belt with liquid calcium also sprayed on black road ice / these solid Gen3's are long gone (rusted out) and exceptional ones are extremely rare now...like hens teeth.
- today's price in this region, for most solid examples, are $10,000 US$ or 12,000 Cdn with low Km.
- but try and find one, in S/W Ontario...big demand here - but no local supply
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...............there seems to be a huge disparity in what the owner seeks vs. the value kbb or edmunds list the resale value as..

..am i wrong to look at these guidelines..?

seems when i mention these other prices owners bark at me.. like actually car dealerships do..

for instance am looking at a:
99 sr5 w/ 145k..
guys seeks 5500..
yet kbb/edmunds has it more like 4500..

^^ $4,500 is a BS valuation in many regions, for Top-quality T4R ... as Dealers practice buying Low & Sell High.
- so at time of trade-in...they want to show &/or quote Low Valuation guides
- kbb & edmunds are used to scoop good Gen3, at the Lowest price...for profitable resale
Banks & Finance Company's don't want to give out inflated vehicle loans either...Lower # protects their paper investment.

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so i am curious what the 4runner community
values certain years and miles as their true value as..

97 w/140k sr5 4x4
98 w/140k sr5 4x4
99 w/140k sr5 4x4
00 w/140k sr5 4x4
1999-2000 are iconic years, & hold marginally Higher values over 1997-98 models...how much is anybodies guess.
- and its more than having cup holders, in center console

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value of 98 4runner - NC

I apologize if this is not allowed, but I am a new member & do not have enough posts to start a new thread.

There is a 98 4runner listed I am interested in & have emailed the seller about it. I am a female, & at the moment do not have a significant other or a male friend that knows anything about 4runners who can go with me to look at the truck.

Ad - 275K miles. V6 4WD Toyota 4Runner, engine has been rebuilt all new seals, drive belts, spark plugs, timing belt, water pump, piston rings and every seal on the engine! All competed by Toyota mechanic with 26 years of experience. Transmission has never given me any problems, Vehicle has clean title and ready to sell today.


Email - Hello, the engine was rebuilt because the head gasket had blown out and I figured I'd rebuild the bottom end as this was a vehicle I was going to keep for the life of the truck, there is no rusted frame on the vehicle, no leaks, it has a new radiator along with all the other items listed in the ad, I also recently replaced a throttle position switch since the check engine light came on. The mileage is at just a few hundred miles below 275k miles. I'll send pictures following this message...Oh yeah the engine was rebuilt a little less than 7000 miles ago...

The pictures show a very clean truck. No dents or scratches. Sunroof, 4wd. The ad started several months ago at 5k. Seller is now down to 3k. I have no interest in modifying or putting alot of money into a 4runner. I really am looking a 4runner to haul the dogs around in, so looks aren't really that important.

With the above info, is this 4runner one I should look further into or should I run away fast?

What type of questions should I be asking the seller & what answer should I expect?

I really wish I had someone to help me out, but at the present time I don't. Thank you for any advice & help you can give me.
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Chowbus, it sounds like the 4Runner was religiously maintained and by a competent person.

I would ask if the lower ball joints have been replaced. They have been known to fail without any warning leading to a wreck or rollover. Very important you figure that out.

Link to lower ball joint thread
Official Lower Ball Joint Write Up Thread

At $3K, that's a solid deal for the amount of work that has been done. I would run your own carfax to make sure it hasn't been in any serious accidents before moving further.

If you haven't looked at it yet, ask for pics of the frame. Even though, he said there's no rust, I would still make sure of that.

Happened once where a delusional seller of a 4Runner told me there wasn't any rust, and when I went out to see it and peaked underneath, it had rust everywhere.

My only concern is the fact that it has been for sale for several months. These usually sell fairly quick at $5K, especially with that amount of overhaul work completed.
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You did not over pay. It's a damn crime that another 5speed w/e-locker is off the road.
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2000 4Runner SR5, auto, 4x4, no e-locker, with 89,xxx miles (129,6xx Km).
- vehicle was garage kept by senior owner / frame & floor are in extremely good shape
- it has tiny dent on the rear bumper, but zero sheet metal dents or scratches
- original paint with zero panel rust & interior is super clean...overall, a 9.5 out of 10, even clear coat is perfect
- maintained at Toyota/Lexus Dealership, since new
- before trade in / new timing belt, OEM radiator & BFG tires
- sold to my buddy through a Dealer-2-Dealer Auction
- 1.5 years ago: this friend sold it to me for $7,000 US$ (or Paid $9,000 Cdn), including Govn. safety check & E-test
- included in the purchase price was 4 wheel premium brake job, rear axle seals & Koyo bearings, LBJ, muffler

^^ Up in the winter rock-salt belt with liquid calcium also sprayed on black road ice / these solid Gen3's are long gone (rusted out) and exceptional ones are extremely rare now...like hens teeth.
- today's price in this region, for most solid examples, are $10,000 US$ or 12,000 Cdn with low Km.
- but try and find one, in S/W Ontario...big demand here - but no local supply
What do you mean supply is low in Ontario?
There are SO many 3rd gen autos for sale in Ontario for so cheap. Like unparalleled.
The manuals are hard to come by but there are so many autos. And they are cheaper in Ontario than anywhere in North America.
For example.
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/...ationFlag=true
159k miles, 4k USD
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01 & 02's aren't attractive to me.
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My '97 had 260k miles on it when I sold it, and I sold it for $6,400. It was really clean, 100% rust free, maintained well, many '99+ upgrades, lots of new suspension bushings, etc. Clean title.
That said, the paint was showing its age, and the hood and roof had been resprayed at a less-than-awesome shop. It looked good, but was peeling in some spots- like where they just taped off the rear quarter glass.
There is vIrtually ZERO decent 4Runners in AK. The buyer of my '97 actually flew down to OR, and drove it 2,500 miles home.
I think it was a fair deal for both of us.
Like I always say- things are worth whatever someone is willing to pay for them at the time. You can't base value on what a book- or computer- says.
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Thank you ToyotaBrah for your response.

What does it mean that the "bottom end" was rebuilt? Is this not a complete rebuild? Is this a typical solution for a blown head gasket? Should I have concern for the transmission at this mileage. Seller only states that the transmission has never given him any problem.

I am going to call the seller tomorrow as I have just received his number. I have been watching cl & the paper for months & find that some sellers way overprice their vehicles. And sometimes it follows that other sellers will overprice also. Until they find out that nobody is going to pay those ridiculous prices. Then everybody will lower the price. I've watched the same sellers go high, low, high in price.

4runners in this area are somewhat plentiful, but they seem to be price based on emotional attachment instead of real world value. The ads read good with a somewhat decent price until you contact the seller & they drop the ball about everything that needs to be done to them. And almost all of the 3rd gens are well above 175k miles.

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Thank you ToyotaBrah for your response.

What does it mean that the "bottom end" was rebuilt? Is this not a complete rebuild? Is this a typical solution for a blown head gasket? Should I have concern for the transmission at this mileage. Seller only states that the transmission has never given him any problem.

I am going to call the seller tomorrow as I have just received his number. I have been watching cl & the paper for months & find that some sellers way overprice their vehicles. And sometimes it follows that other sellers will overprice also. Until they find out that nobody is going to pay those ridiculous prices. Then everybody will lower the price. I've watched the same sellers go high, low, high in price.

4runners in this area are somewhat plentiful, but they seem to be price based on emotional attachment instead of real world value. The ads read good with a somewhat decent price until you contact the seller & they drop the ball about everything that needs to be done to them. And almost all of the 3rd gens are well above 175k miles.

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Can you give us a link to the CL ad? Another reason it might not have sold is that most people are afraid of engine rebuilds & dont trust CL people. And rightfully so if it wasn't done correctly. There's nothing wrong with a rebuild if it was done right. Mine blew a head gasket & I also had to have the bottom of the engine rebuilt because I over heated it. Sometimes you can just get away with new headgaskets and/or new heads & other times when you're an idiot like me you need an entire rebuild. My buddy rebuilt mine 4 years & 22,000 miles ago & it's running better than ever. Good Luck!
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Thank you ToyotaBrah for your response.

What does it mean that the "bottom end" was rebuilt? Is this not a complete rebuild? Is this a typical solution for a blown head gasket? Should I have concern for the transmission at this mileage. Seller only states that the transmission has never given him any problem.

I am going to call the seller tomorrow as I have just received his number. I have been watching cl & the paper for months & find that some sellers way overprice their vehicles. And sometimes it follows that other sellers will overprice also. Until they find out that nobody is going to pay those ridiculous prices. Then everybody will lower the price. I've watched the same sellers go high, low, high in price.

4runners in this area are somewhat plentiful, but they seem to be price based on emotional attachment instead of real world value. The ads read good with a somewhat decent price until you contact the seller & they drop the ball about everything that needs to be done to them. And almost all of the 3rd gens are well above 175k miles.

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"Bottom end" means crank shaft and con rod bearings... it can also refer to pistons and rings. "Top end" rebuild usually means heads have been re-done --- valves, springs, cam bearings etc.
If he's saying the "bottom end" has been done, that isn't necessarily a full rebuild. If you have the patience to cruise this site, you will come across head gasket failures and high mileage examples, head gasket failures due to cracked heads. It isn't really common but the chances increase with mileage and age, especially if it hasn't been maintained. Finding that out is definitely harder with a 20yr old vehicle.

The way you describe this truck, I would be careful--- even if its only $3K, get it inspected. If he finds reasons why you shouldn't, find another truck. These trucks in reasonable shape sell quick. Ask for maintenance records. The best deals will be trucks with 1 owner or long term ownership. Price and Value are objective.... My truck is in excellent shape and if I was to sell it I wouldn't let it go for less than $6k--- and I would get it. If I paid $3k for a truck, and the engine died, considering you'd spend 2-3K for an engine replacement, you'd now be into it for 5-6K. I'm a big fan in finding a truck in better than average shape, reassure your choice with an inspection, and maintain it--- it will pay off in the long run.

I have a 98 and I went over it with a "fine tooth comb", it looked perfect- no signs of abuse or neglect AND NO rust (almost impossible in the North East), and I bought it. I Loved this truck, however, 2 yrs into ownership, I had a con rod bearing failure. I replaced the engine but I disassembled the old one and found clear signs of sludge buildup---- the clearest sign that the PO was negligent in changing the oil. It had low mileage so it was probably a garage queen that looked great but seldom driven or maintained. For me,the engine failure wasn't a big problem, as I did the work myself--- the only inconvenience to me was the loss of use. I do the maintenance, and I've had no other problems, aside from rear axle seal failure shortly after I bought the truck (again not a big deal). After 5 years I'm approaching 300K, I still love the truck, do the maintenance, and it has changed very little in looks, since I bought it, and it's still my workhorse.

I certainly don't want to dissuade you from buying, but get it mechanically inspected if you aren't mechanically inclined. 4Runners are amazingly durable trucks but any vehicle that hasn't been maintained or has been abused will cost you money in the end. These trucks are not impervious to rust --- especially in the North East, have lower ball joint issues, rear axle seal issues, radiator failures (pink milkshake) and a few other lesser issues. BUT in comparison, a Jeep or Ford or GMC truck would already be in the wrecking yard.

In major cities here in Canada our equivalent of AAA, will do mobile vehicle inspects---something to investigate!

Good luck, and hope you find the right 4R.
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Thank you for the replies. Yes, I have done a lot of reading about buying a 4Runner. But when it gets to the part about the internal workings of the engine, I might as well be reading Greek. And you are correct. I don't want to buy something & then be surprised that I need to put that much more money into it.

This is the cl ad.
https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d...183827241.html

PoleClimber63, you recommend an inspection. Is a generic, local (local to area where 4Runner is being sold) mechanic shop sufficient or the local Toyota dealer better? This 4Runner is about 75 miles away from me, and I don't know anybody nor a mechanic in that town. I would have to find one in the yellow pages. What would be a normal charge for an inspection?

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What do you mean supply is low in Ontario?
There are SO many 3rd gen autos for sale in Ontario for so cheap. Like unparalleled.
The manuals are hard to come by but there are so many autos. And they are cheaper in Ontario than anywhere in North America.
For example.
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/...ationFlag=true
159k miles, 4k USD

Supply is surprising Low for nice/solid 20 year old Gen3's, that are sold with Provincial Safety Check and E-Tested,
here in Ontario, Canada....anything less, will always be an easy find.
Selling used cars to get a lot tougher with new inspection standards
- The province updated their inspection standards for the first time in 42 years, requiring mechanics
to go through a more detailed, 96-page checklist before passing a car...effective 07/2016.

OldManKamps - The T4R Gen3 Kijiji ad you linked, is a $4,900 Cdn @ 256K Km (= $4K US$ @ 159K miles).
- with no undercarriage photos and probably not sold licence plate ready
- it's hardly a true local comparison, on low price & plentiful supply & demand
These vehicles can be hiding frame rot up North here and may never see the road again, &/or unless $1,000's more are invested for certification.

BTW
a) A local Ford dealer has a '99 4Runner on the lot, listed for $4,900 as is.
- looks solid enough on the outside, a good 10 ft'er / underside a rusty mess

b) 6 months ago, another Gen3 came up for sale, in our city.
Kijiji photos showed some lower rust out & at $4,500 as is, seller was desperate to sell...but no takers.
- that is the local market, from my chair

c) My brother wants a solid 2005 Toyota RAV4 (Gen2 4x4) for his wife...he has been looking for a year, in S/W Ontario.
Finally found a rust free Chilli Edition locally, & oiled yearly since new...$9,800 shocking asking price.
c1) I found a '05 RAV4 Base model with a blown head gasket / $4,500 before $2,700 in quoted repairs.

^^ The real good Toyota SUV's, are priced like Gold locally, if you can find one / the junk ones, just don't sell for much.

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Thank you for the replies. Yes, I have done a lot of reading about buying a 4Runner. But when it gets to the part about the internal workings of the engine, I might as well be reading Greek. And you are correct. I don't want to buy something & then be surprised that I need to put that much more money into it.

This is the cl ad.
https://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/d...183827241.html

PoleClimber63, you recommend an inspection. Is a generic, local (local to area where 4Runner is being sold) mechanic shop sufficient or the local Toyota dealer better? This 4Runner is about 75 miles away from me, and I don't know anybody nor a mechanic in that town. I would have to find one in the yellow pages. What would be a normal charge for an inspection?

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That is a good looking truck. The owner had the engine rebuilt, put 01/02 Sport Edition seats in it & Gen 5 SR5 wheels on so he did put some love into it. Could be the high miles that are keeping people away. These things usually sell quick. $100 is the usual price for an inspection. Maybe a member from here can go look at it?
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