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I'm having some issue with the headlights on mine, but I think it could be related to one or more faulty door switches. I walked out twice today and the headlights were on, with the switch off. I don't think I locked the vehicle either time.
Does anyone know if 1997 limited had auto-headlamps when vehicle shut off?
I don't currently have an owners manual.
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Why can't I find someone selling their 3rd gen with an electrical problem so I can get it for next to nothing and fix it for next to nothing?
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Not to change subjects here, but, I bought my 2000 Runner with 130K for $500 because the gal couldn't figure out why the rear wiper motor, rear defroster, rear window and rear dome light wouldn't work.. Broken wires - they were. Fix it - I did.
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OK, so we'll what I think is easiest. Using your meter, check the voltage at the receptacle for the headlight fuses. One will be dead with the fuse out, or should be, and the other will be hot from the relay(even though it shouldn't be).
Write down the voltage at all four positions with the truck off. Then recheck them with the truck running, this could be irrelevant but I want to know what is changing.
Then with the engine off, pull the headlight relay and check the voltage readings again. Sounds like a lot but it will take you longer to put the info in the email then it will to check it.
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Lights are now staying off. If it happens again, I'll check those voltages and post again. Sorry for the delay, but it's been kinda hectic lately.
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So, the headlight gremlin is back again. I have replaced the relay for them with a NAPA one. The auto-shutoff feature is gone now, but I don't care about that.
Biggest issue now is that the low beams and high beams won't turn on. I can flash the highs manually when pulling back on the stalk. Bulbs are still good.
Other symptoms:
-The low beams and parking lights were flashing when I walked into the garage one day.
-Driving in some rain, felt a couple drops on my left ankle on the 20 minute trip home.
-Horn/hazard fuse would keep blowing. Pulled the junction box out from under the driver side dash and noticed some corrosion on the back where one of the connectors plugs in. Just replaced the whole junction box. Horn and hazards work again, but no change to the headlamp failure.
Am I looking at a failed stalk?
P.S. I have found the culprit for the door open warning light. Rear door sensor is acting up. Going to find a way to disable it. Simply unplugging it behind the rear hatch door card doesn't work.
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08-19-2016, 10:43 PM
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So, the headlight gremlin is back again. I have replaced the relay for them with a NAPA one. The auto-shutoff feature is gone now, but I don't care about that.
Biggest issue now is that the low beams and high beams won't turn on. I can flash the highs manually when pulling back on the stalk. Bulbs are still good.
Other symptoms:
-The low beams and parking lights were flashing when I walked into the garage one day.
-Driving in some rain, felt a couple drops on my left ankle on the 20 minute trip home.
-Horn/hazard fuse would keep blowing. Pulled the junction box out from under the driver side dash and noticed some corrosion on the back where one of the connectors plugs in. Just replaced the whole junction box. Horn and hazards work again, but no change to the headlamp failure.
Am I looking at a failed stalk?
P.S. I have found the culprit for the door open warning light. Rear door sensor is acting up. Going to find a way to disable it. Simply unplugging it behind the rear hatch door cad doesn't work.
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I'm going to try to address your headlight issue. But you have a lot of information, most of it doesn't address any one thing. So if you can please clarify. You say the auto off feature is "gone". Did you disable it? If so, what did you do?
I'm working from a newer EWD, but I think the early models with no DRL's should be similar. The headlights activated by the stalk which does TWO things.
ONE, it ground the headlight relay THROUGH the auto off feature in the combination meter, the relay then sends power to the headlights through the fuses.
TWO it grounds the Low beam filament in the bulb.
The high beams only work if the stalk is in the "on" position, so the relay is grounded and the headlights have power. Moving the stalk forward and back activate the dimmer. In the high mode the Hi beam filament is grounded. But the lamps will only get power if the headlight relay has ground from the stalk, again, THROUGH the auto off feature.
The flash mode operated independently of the stalk switch, when you pull the stalk to flash, ground is applied DIRECTLY to the headlight relay AND the high beam filament.
That leaves several possibilities as to what has failed. I would start with checking to see if the relay is getting ground when you turn on the headlights. If not, you can check connector 1C terminal 6 on the Body ECU. Since the flash works, we know the other connectors for the headlamp relay are good.
Next step if there is no ground, is the combination meter. So it would help to know what you did already.
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^^^^I'm looking at my '99 EWD and you have it exactly right.
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So, basically the issue right now is the lights stay on after turning the truck off. This is with the switch in either on or off position. When the truck is turned on, the switch does what it's suppose to and turns the lights on and off. It does have the auto turn-off feature, when the lights are left on, ignition turned off, and door is opened, they will automatically turn off.
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I started having exactly the same problem today after a VERY heavy rain. The hood was up because I've been having packrat problems (ate the wiring from the coolant sensor and canister relay...both now fixed). It was raining too hard to go close the hood. I didn't think it was a big deal. The engine has gotten wet before.
Headlights were on and wouldn't turn off unless I turned the key to accessory or started the truck. Turned the lights off. Turn off the key, close the door and the lights are back on again. High/low/flash are fine.
But it would appear that the water shorted something out. I was headed out in our other car when I discovered it and didn't have time for much troubleshooting so I just pulled the ground on the battery and I'll try and deal with it tomorrow. I'm not a big fan of coincidences so I'm sure the rain had something to do with it.
[Edit] I just checked out a couple of the other threads below and one mentioned that the issue happened after "four days of rain." I think we got four days of rain in about 45 minutes today, so I'm sure it's an H2O issue. The other thread mentioned jiggling the "headlight switch." Does that mean the stalk in the cab? Is there something under the hood aside from the fuses and relays (both well protected in their little plastic box) to jiggle?
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Same problem here
Hey all-
I'm having what seems like the same issue with my 1998 4Runner. I don't have the auto off headlights. I have the standard SR5 V6 2WD. All original sound system and alarm system (I did turn off the alarm and remote lock though, so I only use the physical key to unlock).
The headlights work completely fine, but when it rains, they turn on. Clearly some water is getting somewhere and shorting the circuit. When it's raining, keys are not in the ignition and light switch is in the OFF position, the headlights are on. If I turn the PARKING lights on, the headlights turn off (like they should be when the parking lights are on). And of course when I turn the switch to the headlights on position, the headlights turn back on. But when I move the switch back to the OFF position, the headlights are still on. SOMETIMES going back and forth between on and off like this shuts them off. But only temporarily, and then as it rains more, jiggling the switch like this stops working and the lights are just always on. I've been functioning by taking the fuses out whenever it rains for a couple months now (doesn't rain much in LA). But every so often it starts raining while I'm sleeping and I wake up to a dead battery.
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When I turn the car on sometimes after it's been off for awhile (raining or not raining) I hear what sounds like water draining from right where the dash meets the windshield. I'm sitting in my mechanics waiting room while I'm writing this and he says that sounds like there's something wrong with the heater core. My cold air AC definitely rarely works, though the heater seems to consistently work... I don't know if this is relevant to the lights.
One night, it was raining and I had taken the two headlight fuses out like I have learned to do. Went to get dinner and when I came back out to my car, the parking lights were intermittently flashing and I THINK I remember when they flashed, the horn also briefly beeped with it? It was probably like every 20 seconds or something it would just barely flash & beep for half a second. This only happened once (that I saw). Usually (to my knowledge) when I pull the headlight fuses out and it's raining, everything is off. To my memory it wasn't raining particularly heavy that night either...maybe just more consistently?
Pretty sure that's all the info I have related to that issue. I first noticed it happening probably 6 months ago. But it hardly rains in LA so I've lived with it. Maybe it was happening before without me knowing.
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Ive had the same problem on my '96- I'm not 100% sure but I think the moisture is the key to the fix. The switch which rotates is a cap which can be pulled off. Over time the cap has loosened and if rain or snow gets on the cap it leaks into the gap....that fluid is now the connection and the headlights stay on till evaporation cures the problem. Simply remove the cap, dry the parts and viola....I think.
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Same Problem?
1999 SR5 4x4:
Most of the time when I turn the vehicle off and remove the key when the headlight switch is ON the headlights STAY ON and I can't lock the vehicle with the key fob.
Used to kill the lights with no change to the key fob locking function when I remove the key with the light switch ON.
This problem is intermittent enough that it confuses. me when it happens, but it feels like it's getting more common.
COINCIDENCE: This problem cropped up after I took out the fuel pump relay so I could depressurize the lines to change the filter.
Could I have damaged something on the fuse panel when I did this?
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Originally Posted by RoofRack
1999 SR5 4x4:
Most of the time when I turn the vehicle off and remove the key when the headlight switch is ON the headlights STAY ON and I can't lock the vehicle with the key fob.
Used to kill the lights with no change to the key fob locking function when I remove the key with the light switch ON.
This problem is intermittent enough that it confuses. me when it happens, but it feels like it's getting more common.
COINCIDENCE: This problem cropped up after I took out the fuel pump relay so I could depressurize the lines to change the filter.
Could I have damaged something on the fuse panel when I did this?
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Do you have DRL's? And can you clarify the problem with a statement like: Headlights won't turn off when...
But they do turn of when...
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OK.
When the headlight switch is on and I remove the key, sometimes the lights stay on, sometimes they shut off.
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Hi Guys,
do anybody know how to disable "light auto turn off" function?
My lights works fine but have different problem, usually I left light switch on ON position.
Since I install remote starter I have to remember turn switch off b/c if I remote start truck ( with switch ON), and then remote turn of engine lights stay on and drain battery.
I don't think it's programmable feature so maybe some wire needs to be disconnected ??
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OK.
When the headlight switch is on and I remove the key, sometimes the lights stay on, sometimes they shut off.
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Sorry I just saw this, helps to quote so I get a notice.
I have mega kids party to work my magic on today, and rewire a tow truck tomorrow so I won't get to this very soon. But the lights shouldn't turn off until you open the door, does that not happen?
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Hi Guys,
do anybody know how to disable "light auto turn off" function?
My lights works fine but have different problem, usually I left light switch on ON position.
Since I install remote starter I have to remember turn switch off b/c if I remote start truck ( with switch ON), and then remote turn of engine lights stay on and drain battery.
I don't think it's programmable feature so maybe some wire needs to be disconnected ??
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It can be bypassed, but it involves removing the instrument cluster. I'll try to post a pertinent link where somebody did it. Later I'll get to that!
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