Brake Upgrade Recommendations - Toyota 4Runner Forum

DC1843 · 03-25-2015, 03:47 PM

I have a 98 Limited with the factory 6 spoke 16" wheels. I am going to have a trusted, local repair shop replace the brakes and will see if they will do the upgrade for me. I am trying to decide between the 199mm vs 231mm. I use it as my daily driver as well as towing a 5x8 enclosed trailer with 2 dirt bikes and gear throughout the Midwest. I like that the 199mm does not require the modification as the 231mm but would prefer the larger ones. Just concerned if the shop will do the mods need for the 231mm.

What are everyone's recommendation?

Also, I know the stock spare will not fit with the 231mm. Will the 199mm work will the stock full size spare?

Thanks

SpidermanGeek · 03-25-2015, 03:56 PM

Go 231, stock spare fitment is irrelevant since it'll fit on the rear anyway.

MONTYMTB · 03-25-2015, 04:02 PM

If you plan on keeping those wheels, I would just go with the 199 - still a big improvement over what you have, and you wouldn't have to mess with altering them. I know that some will say they've done it and had no problems, but I wouldn't. Just my opinion.
As far as whether or not the factory spare will fit over the 199, I can't remember anyone saying one way or the other. If someone confirms that it won't fit, you can find a used 6 spoke pretty cheap on CL - see them all the time.

JayRolla · 03-25-2015, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MONTYMTB

If you plan on keeping those wheels, I would just go with the 199 - still a big improvement over what you have, and you wouldn't have to mess with altering them. I know that some will say they've done it and had no problems, but I wouldn't. Just my opinion.
As far as whether or not the factory spare will fit over the 199, I can't remember anyone saying one way or the other. If someone confirms that it won't fit, you can find a used 6 spoke pretty cheap on CL - see them all the time.

From what I know the 6 spoke wheels clear the 231mm with no issues. The shop would only need to cut some of the dust shield and that is it. Its the older 3 split spoke like I have that dont clear.

s20004runner · 03-25-2015, 04:13 PM

231mm

the only real mod is the cutting the dust shield. Everything is pretty straightforward.

My oem disc warped and had the brake shake after towing few times. I love my new 231mm.

MONTYMTB · 03-25-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JayRolla

From what I know the 6 spoke wheels clear the 231mm with no issues. The shop would only need to cut some of the dust shield and that is it. Its the older 3 split spoke like I have that dont clear.

OP will have to confirm, but are we talking about these wheels?

If so, I don't think they will clear the 231 without modification or spacers.

DC1843 · 03-25-2015, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MONTYMTB

OP will have to confirm, but are we talking about these wheels?

If so, I don't think they will clear the 231 without modification or spacers.

Those are the wheels I have.

3rzrunner · 03-25-2015, 08:29 PM

if you want a rotor/pad recommendation try the EBC 3GD Rotors with EBC greenstuff pads, I love them! excellent braking.

jkoni426 · 03-25-2015, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DC1843

Those are the wheels I have.

I have those wheels and went with the 199s because the spare doesn't fit the 231s, and because I didn't like the idea of grinding the wheels. I don't do any towing, but I would think the 199s are still plenty.

StreetCreeper · 03-25-2015, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DC1843

Those are the wheels I have.

Those wheels are called split 3s and as others have said, they won't clear the 231s unless you run a spacer. I think it's only a 1/4 spacer though...but I'm not positive on that.

ShooterMcGavin · 03-26-2015, 01:13 AM

I have those wheels... If I need to do brake work, my plan it to keep the wheels, do the 231mm Tundra brakes, and get longer rear wheel studs for the front. I will add a 1/4" spacer and still be able to thread the lug nuts on enough.

96LTDrus · 03-26-2015, 01:22 AM

Another happy 199mm owner on split spokes, I likewise didn't want the hassle of worrying about wheel clearance. Ordered rebuilt Tundra calipers for about $75 a side off ebay, put on Brembo blank rotors and Advics (Japanese supplier of OE Tundra pads as I understand). Simple, one evening, 'one beer' job.

DC1843 · 03-26-2015, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by StreetCreeper

Those wheels are called split 3s and as others have said, they won't clear the 231s unless you run a spacer. I think it's only a 1/4 spacer though...but I'm not positive on that.

Thanks for the clarification.

I think I'm going to go with the 199mm's. I know the 199's have 13WE on the caliper. Is there a specific part numbers I can tell the shop? Or just tell them calipers, pads, and rotors off a 2001 Tundra?

Thanks everyone for there input

Unner · 03-26-2015, 10:14 AM

It should come up on the listing for the caliper what the casting is, 13WE or 13WL. They should be able to tell you easily.

NJT4R · 03-26-2015, 09:56 PM

Last month I upgraded to the 231 because I tow a boat and the stock brakes suck under load. I found a set of '05 Tundra wheels on CL for $200 and '05 tundra calipers from a wreck for $45 each. I looked up Speedy's garage on youtube & everything works as described there and on this site.
I haven't towed yet with the 231's but I can tell already it is a huge improvement from stock.

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