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Originally Posted by nobb
If there should be a recall, it should be for Toyota's crappy lower ball joint design. There's tons of documented failures and likely even more undocumented ones. I'm pretty sure people have lost their lives from this flaw.
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The problem is not necessarily a flaw in the design of the ball joint. It's a poor design, not a flawed one. The average OEM LBJ probably lasts 150-200K without maintenance/failure.
The true problem is that Toyota OVER-engineered the rest of the vehicle.
On most vehicles I've owned, things like wheel bearings and ball joints have lower or equal durability to ones found in a 3rd gen 4Runner. But by then, the rest of those other cars are falling apart as well, unlike the 4runner's drivetrain which would still be considered in its infancy.
But this thread is about a frame recall, which I don't think there would ever be grounds for one. Take my 4Runner for Example. I live in Ontario Canada. We salt our roads pretty heavily. My 4runner was never rustproofed by its previous owners and it's just now starting to show signs or rot starting. It's a 20 year old vehicle with 180K on it. In my area, it's considered a very old and tough vehicle. Well maintained, but daily/winter driven vehicles in my area tend to last about 10 Years/155K miles before they are just about ready for the junk pile.
If people are complaining NOW that their 20 year old vehicle is "falling apart", please don't ever buy a newer vehicle. The old adage "they don't build them like they used to." rings true. We live in a throw away society and car makers take advantage of that (and were probably the cause to begin with). It's not uncommon now for people to own a vehicle as long as it has an active warranty and then trade up. The average consumer doesn't care about lasting durability. They just want their vehicles to last problem free for as long as they own it and won't have to pay for repairs.
Tacoma frames rotted prematurely in a pretty crucial spot. I can't justify or make the same parallel with the 4runner. Even a poorly maintained 4Runner's Frame will likely last 10-12 years before starting to rot. I wouldn't consider that "premature".
None of the numbers I threw out are fact though. Just assumptions and opinions based on observations of vehicle ownership in my area.
If you live in a climate like I do, it's up to the owner to ensure the vehicle is properly cared for accordingly.
Car manufacturers aren't going to design/engineer/build every vehicle to be able to withstand the absolute harshest of climates. It would be overkill for the average owner. It wouldn't make financial sense.