This is from the FB group, a mounted set.

The internals of the shock have nothing to do with it. Surely your not suggesting that Icon is using a better upper heim joints. It's a pretty straight forward part, no matter the size. Similar to Uni-balls used across different UCA platforms.

My point is simple, and I don't want to sound like Im arguing...Im just in a simple discussion . The buckets are clocked different...Icon did not design a coilover for the 4Runner (as most haven't) simply put from Icon "they will bolt up." I never said they won't work...as I have Sway-a-ways built for the Taco on my 4Runner...I said they are not as ideal, with the implication, that they are not as a ideal as a coilover built for the 4runner.

I don't have access to my buddies old photos from his taco to his 4Runner, but I found these in a quick search and I didnt put a lot of time into showing what Im talking about but the photos show the difference. Red Line coilover articulation angle and green line suspension articulation angle...they are different.

First is a Taco Driver Side
Second is a 4Runner Passenger Side

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These clearly show what Im talking about

For SURE...bolting these and most in the wrong orientation will have adverse affects...ask me how I know ;)

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@TotalAutomotiveLV What part of Vegas are you in?? You should look up the Vegas FJ Cruisers FB page...they are super cool guys. Many of us have 3rd Gen 4Runner's too

I am not suggesting it I am telling you that they do use different uniballs. I can tell you have never spec'ed out any mechanical parts, there is vast variety of uniballs and even though a pair may look identical one could be much softer than the other or made from cheaper steel in general. The overall cost of the shock has to be cheaper to offer prices that low.

I see what you mean, but I personally still believe that the difference will be negligible. As you said it isn't ideal, but it isn't a big enough difference to justify the extra cost involved to develop separate 4runner specific top plates.

Ive been on one of the drives and two of the reps here are members in the FB group

Look at the top photo on this page, it shows a 4Runner and you can clearly see the shocks upper rotation axis isn't parallel with the suspensions. Meaning that the shock isn't just rotating about the axis of the bearings outer race (like a tacoma), but has a slightly angled rotation--meaning that the misalignment spacers are probably load bearing, versus the load being purely through the inner and outer races (if that makes sense). I doubt bearing stresses (in the bearing ) are increased though, because the misalignment should be transferring compressive loads so the area of the bearing stresses wouldn't decrease (for all practical reasons). Assuming I'm understanding what everyone is saying

My only concern the more I think about it is that because it is rotated is that it may side load that uniball which could lead to a premature failure in cheaper uniballs.

FYI everyone. Everything you are discussing above only applies to the stage 1 & 2 kits which feature the NON RESERVOIR coilover.

The Stage 3 and up kits feature either the 58716 or 58716C coilover, which is specific to the 96-02 4Runner (Tacoma is 58715 or 58715C) and uses a completely different top hat.

Have to make this text huge because people are missing it...

ICON uses FK Uniball.

Agreed.

And I didn't think Sway-A-Ways (at least the ones I have) were considered cheap, maybe not as popular...they still want 1299.00 for a set where ICON wants 1207.45.

We dont want that much money from you guys for the ICONS.

I promise once Im in the market I'll give you a call

Ah I see I thought you had 2.0's for some reason. Still the later still applies, it all depends on what they selected

Couple of shots posted in the FB group of Mason's sweet looking overland rig. We supplied the ICON shocks and OME springs on this beast

So if the FK hymen contacts the uniball then the angle of the suspension axis rotates around a top hat that is made for a fish taco?

Can I get the stage 1 setup that doesn't have a hymen uniball?