For you anything. I give you nice price.

So before it was a limitation of travel, now its a loading issue? I'm not following...

You might be merging two conversations. The extended coilovers offer a bit more travel, which was an answer to another question asked. I don't remember discussing travel outside of that.

In your quote of my statement I was referring to the upper joint being affected by the opposing pressure due to the clocking of the top hat of the coilover on the 4Runner compared to the Tacoma.

ok


Got it, this makes more sense.

ICONs are great, very happy with my setup.

Just for some visual reference, here is a Tacoma and a 4Runner top hat to show the difference. The top is a Tacoma and the bottom is the 4Runner. As you can see by the slot, that's how much angle difference there is.



Just curious, since Icon obviously makes 4Runner specific top hats, why do they only put them on the external reservoir coilovers instead of all coilovers sold for a 4Runner? I get they CAN work on a 4Runner, but if that were the case then why not make the 4Runners sit straight and have the Taco guys deal with the angle?

^^ Thank you for the visual.. I was having a hard time understanding and this image put it all together for me.

I reckon there's no fix for it.. Not for my sway-a-ways at least cus they only made them for a Taco. If they had a 4Runner version I could rebuild them with the correct top hats. I wonder how similar other brand top hats are.. If I can rebuild my sway-a-ways to adapt an Icon 4runner top hat?

I get the concept but I'm not sure it's enough stress for the general population. Not saying that over time you wont see some wear, but you're suppose to rebuild these things anyways. I could see it being a problem quickly if you're out constantly jumping dunes, but I don't see but maybe a handful of us doing that and the ones that are have long travel. Regardless, it's not going to change my wheeling habits and the type of wheeling I do. Mine are due for a rebuild soon anyways.

This is the real question. Or to avoid having different top mounts for each model they could do what Toytec does with their top mounts for the "Boss" and "ultimate" coilovers where they machine one single top mount with 3 different bolt patterns. One for 4Runner, one for Tacoma, and one for Tundra/Sequioa.

This one is set up for a 4Runner. The middle hole would be for a Tacoma, and the last one is for Tundra/Sequioa.

Icon has been doing this a long time.. I don't know when they first produced the coilovers for the Tacos/4Runners but I'm willing to bet a reservoir option was not available then. The top hats couldn't allow for a reservoir tap so they redesigned the top hat to accommodate it. They probably realized the difference in the taco/4runner by then and made ones for each...


Just a guess?

They did that for the tundra/sequioa and tacoma/4runner setup, but not specific for the taco and the 4runner.

Well Mr. @MTD how bout you print us up some 4Runner top hats. I'll take one for my sway-a-ways

Most coilovers sold use a top hat designed for the Tacoma. Since you can rotate the bottom independent from the top you can twist the coilover to fit the 4Runner bolt pattern which is the same as a Taco just clocked (as much as my pic above shows). Since the top part of the coilover that bolts in to the top hat is a uniball joint it is able to move, but there is debate as to wether it has enough articulation to move properly or that it may be binding or causing premature wear. I believe the reason Icon makes a 4R specific top hat for the remote resi coilovers is the same reason Radflo does which is because the hose fittings hit the side of the coil bucket when they're rotated over to the Tacoma clocked position.

To retrofit the top hats for a 4Runner, couldn't you just drill new holes and drive new studs through the top hats? Mine look like wheel studs that are pressed through the bottom of the top hat. That way you'd be messing with the top hat instead of the truck's coil bucket.

Because they sell tacoma kits 10 to 1 to the 4runner. The external res coilovers and IFP shocks use a different hat.

As I said in a previous post.


The Stage 3 and up kits feature either the 58716 or 58716C coilover, which is specific to the 96-02 4Runner (Tacoma is 58715 or 58715C) and uses a completely different top hat.

Even the standard shock will provide full travel at lock to lock on the 4runner. The debate as to whether it provides more wear with this design; it may cause that, but you driving style and useage will be a much larger factor.

Sorry, I'm confused a little now. So the Top mount on the Icon's is machined for both a Tacoma and 4Runner or it isn't? Or are you saying Icons top mount is machined for two of the three setups? I've seen one in person before, but just can't remember.

Edit: I think I get what you're saying now. They have two mounting options and the they are assuming the Tacoma/4Runner use the same one and the Tundra/Sequioa use the other? So they should really just add a 3rd option specific to the 4runner.