Home Menu

Site Navigation


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 07-31-2015, 10:13 PM #1
IBallEngineer's Avatar
IBallEngineer IBallEngineer is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Covina, CA
Posts: 2,301
IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough
IBallEngineer IBallEngineer is offline
Senior Member
IBallEngineer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Covina, CA
Posts: 2,301
IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough
Door Lock Motor Replacement

OK, so here is my first write up on something I think the forum needs. I'm starting this thread without the ability to give a final verdict on the entirety of it because the parts are in the mail, but I promise to update in due time.

So WHY do the door locks stop working on a hot day?

The consensus seems to be that the motors inside the door lock assembly start to go bad and start out failing in hot weather. Others have posted the link to IH8TMUD and ClubLexus about how they repair this on the FZJ80 and 100's but nothing definitive about what will work on a 3rd gen. My post will not be the ultimate solution, but it will go a long way toward clearing things up. I have been paying attention to the rare occasions when I would witness a failure. It is always the side of the vehicle getting the most sun, so usually I notice the failure when the driver's side is in the sun. For this reason I decided to carry out my experimenting on the driver's side rear, in case I really F'd something up I didn't want MY door not to work. So here goes. I am including the door panel removal for those who have never done it, advanced users please skip ahead.


LR Door panel before I start





Remove the screw in the middle of the inside door handle, and the two push clips on either end of the panel, push the center then pry on the outer to remove.



Pry up the arm rest and remove the two screws shown.



Pry the inside handle assy forward, toward the front of the door, then pull the front toward you.



Pry the lower part of the panel to separate the clips from the door, then lift the panel over the lock button. Then rotate the panel 90 degrees to allow the inside handle to slip inside.



Disconnect the window switch and the panel is off.

At this point you have to choose how to deal with the butyl tape holding the vapor barrier to the door. Some chose to cut it and then tape it back on, since it was a warm day, I chose to remove it intact, I used a plastic spatula and wore latex gloves. Pita, but worth it in the end. Be sure to disconnect the speaker wire so you can pull the harness through the vapor barrier.





Now to remove the lock assy.



Remove the plastic cover held on by two plastic push clips.



after removing the two long skinny rods(inside handle and inside lock rod) you need to deal with the yellow clip holding the outside handle rod. This can be a real B%$#, but if you place the leading edge of your brake adjusting spoon on the clip itself where the arrow is pointed it's a piece of cake. The picture shows the tool in the incorrect position, couldn't hold the camera when I had it correct.

Continued in next post
__________________
1989 FJ62 5.3 Chevy, FZJ80 Axles, 4.88's with ARB.
2000 2wd runner, 4 cylinders, yes it IS slow.
1999 4WD SR5 Desert Dune 3.4 351K and counting.
2000 4WD sport 3.4 Elocker <--My son's but I still end up paying.
2001 2WD SR5 3.4 <-- My daughter's...see preceding line.
IBallEngineer is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-31-2015, 10:14 PM #2
IBallEngineer's Avatar
IBallEngineer IBallEngineer is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Covina, CA
Posts: 2,301
IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough
IBallEngineer IBallEngineer is offline
Senior Member
IBallEngineer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Covina, CA
Posts: 2,301
IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough

Once the rods are all removed, you can use a T30 Torx to remove the 3 screws holding the latch in place.




I pulled the motor out of the door to better access the connector, using a pocket screw driver I moved the clip to clear the detente. For those keeping score the two inner pins are for the lock motor.


This is what you have once you get it on the bench.



Remove the screw holding the plastic cover, try to note it's position and how you will reinstall it later. Same goes for the drain hose, both are indicated with arrows in this picture.


Remove the two screws holding the motor housing to the lock assy, only one screw is left in this picture.



I also removed the latch by taking out this one screw, I don't think this is actually necessary for the repair.



The next part was surprisingly easy, I used my pocket screwdriver to separate the two halves of the housing.



Voila!



You can see some carbon flash on the motor itself, but the true revelation is in the numbers.




I checked the resistance between the two motor pins while it was sitting on the bench, it was 11.1 Ohms. Then I set the motor in the sun for 15 minutes and rechecked it, it was over 20 Ohms, this reading is after I got the camera and rechecked it. Obviously very sensitive to heat.

You can order new motors on ebay, I only ordered two because I'm not sure the front will be the same, although knowing Toyota, I'm thinking they will be. Here is one link to the motors.

4X FC 280 Motors with Collar Car Door Lock and Mirror Motors FC 280pt 22125 | eBay

I reassembled the housings, no epoxy necessary, they snapped together.EDIT(Use a plastic tie wrap, and or Epoxy or it will unsnap and not work!) Which is good because I'll be doing the whole thing again in a few weeks when the motors arrive.

__________________
1989 FJ62 5.3 Chevy, FZJ80 Axles, 4.88's with ARB.
2000 2wd runner, 4 cylinders, yes it IS slow.
1999 4WD SR5 Desert Dune 3.4 351K and counting.
2000 4WD sport 3.4 Elocker <--My son's but I still end up paying.
2001 2WD SR5 3.4 <-- My daughter's...see preceding line.

Last edited by IBallEngineer; 09-08-2015 at 06:24 PM.
IBallEngineer is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-31-2015, 10:22 PM #3
IBallEngineer's Avatar
IBallEngineer IBallEngineer is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Covina, CA
Posts: 2,301
IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough
IBallEngineer IBallEngineer is offline
Senior Member
IBallEngineer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Covina, CA
Posts: 2,301
IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough
Addendum,

My apologies for the image sizes, my first time using flikr.

Here is a picture of all the tools I used, minus the plastic spatula.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/134164...posted-public/

__________________
1989 FJ62 5.3 Chevy, FZJ80 Axles, 4.88's with ARB.
2000 2wd runner, 4 cylinders, yes it IS slow.
1999 4WD SR5 Desert Dune 3.4 351K and counting.
2000 4WD sport 3.4 Elocker <--My son's but I still end up paying.
2001 2WD SR5 3.4 <-- My daughter's...see preceding line.
IBallEngineer is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-31-2015, 11:52 PM #4
papabeach's Avatar
papabeach papabeach is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 574
papabeach has a spectacular aura about papabeach has a spectacular aura about papabeach has a spectacular aura about
papabeach papabeach is offline
Member
papabeach's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 574
papabeach has a spectacular aura about papabeach has a spectacular aura about papabeach has a spectacular aura about
I have been waiting for someone to do this write up, well done brotha! My drivers door luck stops working in heat...and in July in San Antonio...well that is pretty often. This fix will get added to my to-do list. Thanks again!
__________________
(SOLD)1999 4Runner SR5, 5spd-R452d 5th, 4x4 “Highlander”
Supercharged, Lifted, Dual cased, Dual Locked, Geared, Armored and more...
Papabeach Mod Thread
(SOLD)1997 Land Cruiser FZJ80

1979 FJ40L-KC
papabeach is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-01-2015, 12:13 AM #5
IBallEngineer's Avatar
IBallEngineer IBallEngineer is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Covina, CA
Posts: 2,301
IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough
IBallEngineer IBallEngineer is offline
Senior Member
IBallEngineer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Covina, CA
Posts: 2,301
IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough IBallEngineer will become famous soon enough
Good news regarding the mini pictures, if you click on the link I posted for the tools you can scroll through all the pictures at the bottom and select it for a better view.

__________________
1989 FJ62 5.3 Chevy, FZJ80 Axles, 4.88's with ARB.
2000 2wd runner, 4 cylinders, yes it IS slow.
1999 4WD SR5 Desert Dune 3.4 351K and counting.
2000 4WD sport 3.4 Elocker <--My son's but I still end up paying.
2001 2WD SR5 3.4 <-- My daughter's...see preceding line.
IBallEngineer is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-01-2015, 12:48 AM #6
wake_rider's Avatar
wake_rider wake_rider is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Nompton Oklahoma
Age: 41
Posts: 433
Real Name: Michael
wake_rider is on a distinguished road
wake_rider wake_rider is offline
Member
wake_rider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Nompton Oklahoma
Age: 41
Posts: 433
Real Name: Michael
wake_rider is on a distinguished road
This is fantastic. Thanks a ton! My front driver's side door has been doing this for the past 3 weeks whenever exposed to direct sun, and it's a bit annoying. I want to get it fixed sooner rather than later as I hate leaving things like this in a partially working, ghetto-fab state.

Thank you for the intro, and I sincerely look forward to seeing how the fix works with the new parts.
__________________
2000 Desert Dune Limited 4x4
wake_rider is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-01-2015, 09:52 PM #7
habanero's Avatar
habanero habanero is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: St. Louis area
Age: 56
Posts: 1,872
Real Name: Throws like a girl
habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light
habanero habanero is offline
Senior Member
habanero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: St. Louis area
Age: 56
Posts: 1,872
Real Name: Throws like a girl
habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light
Very nice write-up! I did the same thing (with my own stinky little pic-heavy write-up...heh) 2 years ago September and both (left front, right rear) locks are (of course) still working perfectly. I did use a little epoxy and zip ties to hold the halves together, you'll want to do something- they likely won't stay snapped together on their own for long.

I like that you tested them. Wouldn't expect any less from you, though. I opened mine up to see the wear but didn't get out the multi-meter.

And yes, the motors are the same both front and rear...
__________________
'96 4Runner SR5, assorted baubles and doodads. Stuff happened to it. Stuff is still happening to it. Okay, now the stuff is just getting ridiculous.
'99 4Runner SR5 Highlander, manual w/locker. Stuff is starting to happen to this one too...too much stuff! Too much stuff!!
http://www.yotatech.com/f200/habaner...thread-201751/
Quote:
Originally Posted by PWD4R View Post
I know this is a weird ass question but do you shave your legs or something?

Last edited by habanero; 08-01-2015 at 09:57 PM.
habanero is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-18-2017, 10:17 AM #8
octanejunkie's Avatar
octanejunkie octanejunkie is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 5,154
Real Name: C8H18 Mike
octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of
octanejunkie octanejunkie is offline
Elite Member
octanejunkie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 5,154
Real Name: C8H18 Mike
octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of
Old thread but still relevant @IBallEngineer :thumbsup:

How about these motors?
4 FC-280PC-22125 CAR DOOR LOCK MOTORS DIY ACTUATOR Lexus Toyota Replace Mabuchi | eBay or should I get the motors with the collars already installed on the drive shafts?
__________________
.
1999 Toyota 4Runner SR5 Sport 4WD, V6 5-Speed e-Locker-> 4WD 4runner Journal Thread
1999 Toyota 4Runner SR5 Un-Sported 2WD, V6 Auto ->2WD 4runner Journal Thread
1959 Chevy 3100 1/2 Ton Pickup EVERYTHING done 'cept paint and body
.

Last edited by octanejunkie; 06-18-2017 at 10:25 AM.
octanejunkie is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-29-2017, 12:49 AM #9
TRD_UP TRD_UP is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 5
TRD_UP is on a distinguished road
TRD_UP TRD_UP is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 5
TRD_UP is on a distinguished road
Thumbs up

Great write up! I've been looking for something like this for some time. I had looked a long time ago, and eventually quit. When we were in the Midwest, the locks worked great in the winter, but not so much in the summer. Now, that we're in Phoenix, they work a lot less.

It's intermittent. Sometimes they work great, other times 2-doors will work, and one works half-way, while one just twitches. It's not consistent either. Today the driver's door will work, tomorrow all of the will.

I'll be ordering the motors, and giving it a shot. Thanks!
__________________
2022 Tundra SR5 TRD Off-Road, Lunar Rock
TRD_UP is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-29-2017, 06:37 PM #10
nissanh nissanh is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Odessa/Midland TX
Posts: 3,711
nissanh has a spectacular aura about nissanh has a spectacular aura about nissanh has a spectacular aura about
nissanh nissanh is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Odessa/Midland TX
Posts: 3,711
nissanh has a spectacular aura about nissanh has a spectacular aura about nissanh has a spectacular aura about
^^^ make sure to get the ones with the collar on the shaft. Also stay with Mabuchi motors as these are OEM.
nissanh is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-30-2017, 05:40 PM #11
stir_fry_boy's Avatar
stir_fry_boy stir_fry_boy is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: SLC, UT
Posts: 1,011
stir_fry_boy is an unknown quantity at this point
stir_fry_boy stir_fry_boy is offline
Senior Member
stir_fry_boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: SLC, UT
Posts: 1,011
stir_fry_boy is an unknown quantity at this point
Quote:
Originally Posted by nissanh View Post
^^^ make sure to get the ones with the collar on the shaft. Also stay with Mabuchi motors as these are OEM.
Why is the collar important?
__________________
2015 T4R TRD Pro in super white, Morimoto 4300K HID kit, Auer Engineering / Toyota LED DRL/Fogs 2-in-1's, TRD drop in air filter, WeatherTech front and back liners.
2002 T4R SR5 4WD Onyx Black Sport Edition w/Leather. Gone but not forgotten.
stir_fry_boy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-30-2017, 05:52 PM #12
criera's Avatar
criera criera is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: portland, OR
Posts: 410
criera is on a distinguished road
criera criera is offline
Member
criera's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: portland, OR
Posts: 410
criera is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by stir_fry_boy View Post
Why is the collar important?
i just did this job last week. the collars are fixed to the motor shaft and slide into, and drive the pinion gear, otherwise the motor shaft would spin freely inside the gear. I had read where people were able to remove the collar off the old motors but that looks quite the pita.

you can't beat four motors with collars included for $20 bought here from mops electric: Big thanks to Habanero and iballengineer for the helpful info.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4X-FC-280-Mo...5/282430695638
__________________
2000 SR5 V-6 Auto

Last edited by criera; 08-30-2017 at 05:57 PM.
criera is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-30-2017, 06:26 PM #13
octanejunkie's Avatar
octanejunkie octanejunkie is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 5,154
Real Name: C8H18 Mike
octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of
octanejunkie octanejunkie is offline
Elite Member
octanejunkie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 5,154
Real Name: C8H18 Mike
octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of octanejunkie has much to be proud of
Quote:
Originally Posted by criera View Post
i just did this job last week. the collars are fixed to the motor shaft and slide into, and drive the pinion gear, otherwise the motor shaft would spin freely inside the gear. I had read where people were able to remove the collar off the old motors but that looks quite the pita.

you can't beat four motors with collars included for $20 bought here from mops electric: Big thanks to Habanero and iballengineer for the helpful info.

4X FC-280 Motors with Collar - Car Door Lock and Mirror Motors - FC-280PT-22125 | eBay
Good link on 4x for $20 but those aren't OEM/Mabuchi branded, they are generic (if that matters)
__________________
.
1999 Toyota 4Runner SR5 Sport 4WD, V6 5-Speed e-Locker-> 4WD 4runner Journal Thread
1999 Toyota 4Runner SR5 Un-Sported 2WD, V6 Auto ->2WD 4runner Journal Thread
1959 Chevy 3100 1/2 Ton Pickup EVERYTHING done 'cept paint and body
.
octanejunkie is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-30-2017, 10:24 PM #14
habanero's Avatar
habanero habanero is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: St. Louis area
Age: 56
Posts: 1,872
Real Name: Throws like a girl
habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light
habanero habanero is offline
Senior Member
habanero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: St. Louis area
Age: 56
Posts: 1,872
Real Name: Throws like a girl
habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light habanero is a glorious beacon of light
Quote:
Originally Posted by octanejunkie View Post
Good link on 4x for $20 but those aren't OEM/Mabuchi branded, they are generic (if that matters)
The ones from Mops is what I used 4 years/ 40,000 miles ago because I that's what I could find. If you've got a link to oem surely it would be appreciated!
__________________
'96 4Runner SR5, assorted baubles and doodads. Stuff happened to it. Stuff is still happening to it. Okay, now the stuff is just getting ridiculous.
'99 4Runner SR5 Highlander, manual w/locker. Stuff is starting to happen to this one too...too much stuff! Too much stuff!!
http://www.yotatech.com/f200/habaner...thread-201751/
Quote:
Originally Posted by PWD4R View Post
I know this is a weird ass question but do you shave your legs or something?
habanero is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 09-28-2017, 09:18 AM #15
gtdan gtdan is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 24
gtdan is on a distinguished road
gtdan gtdan is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 24
gtdan is on a distinguished road
Just ordered the OEM motor from Amazon (prime too, go figure). Nice writeup, should be a big help this weekend!
gtdan is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Door lock replacement 96 runner kball 3rd gen T4Rs 25 03-14-2022 12:05 PM
Door Lock Issues: Actuator or just Lock Motor replacement Mlynn 4th Gen T4Rs 15 02-01-2022 09:17 PM
Door lock actuator motor Jason11 3rd gen T4Rs 13 08-25-2018 02:29 PM
2005 SR5 door lock actuator replacement my half baked video OLDSKOOL 4th Gen T4Rs 0 04-03-2014 06:46 PM
Door Window Motor replacement quatin 3rd gen T4Rs 11 10-01-2012 11:34 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:13 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020