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I installed energy suspension control arm bushings up front along with billstein 5100s from the Tundra. Now the alignment place keeps realigning it but it just comes right back out of alignment. Does anyone know what's wrong? My tires are going to be ruined soon and I just got them last year. They blamed it on the grease that came with the bushings.
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11-04-2015, 10:42 AM
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I installed energy suspension control arm bushings up front along with billstein 5100s from the Tundra. Now the alignment place keeps realigning it but it just comes right back out of alignment. Does anyone know what's wrong? My tires are going to be ruined soon and I just got them last year. They blamed it on the grease that came with the bushings.
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Well for starters, which bushings, lower, upper, or all? And what is it that keeps changing, give me some readings after the alignment, then readings when it goes out. That would help. I doubt greased bushings is the problem.
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11-04-2015, 11:21 AM
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Well for starters, which bushings, lower, upper, or all? And what is it that keeps changing, give me some readings after the alignment, then readings when it goes out. That would help. I doubt greased bushings is the problem.
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I replaced all of them. I can't get exact dimensions. I do know yesterday morning they came completely loose and my tires were all the way as far off as they could be. You could literally see them sitting like this ---> \ /
I believe it's the lower control arms coming back out of alignment. They told me my tie rods were solid.
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11-04-2015, 11:41 AM
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I replaced all of them. I can't get exact dimensions. I do know yesterday morning they came completely loose and my tires were all the way as far off as they could be. You could literally see them sitting like this ---> \ /
I believe it's the lower control arms coming back out of alignment. They told me my tie rods were solid.
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OK, well yes if they come lose the suspension action will force them toward each other, giving you Positive Camber. I don't see how the bushings rotating around the bolts would move the camber. It's the bolts that are moving in the slot. If they don't know how to fix it, take it somewhere else!
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2001 2WD SR5 3.4 <-- My daughter's...see preceding line.
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11-04-2015, 11:53 AM
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OK, well yes if they come lose the suspension action will force them toward each other, giving you Positive Camber. I don't see how the bushings rotating around the bolts would move the camber. It's the bolts that are moving in the slot. If they don't know how to fix it, take it somewhere else!
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Yeah I'm going to take it to another shop. I've had a few other people tell me to take it somewhere else too. I just was curious if anyone else has had this problem and found out what it is that's wrong. I think they must not be completely torquing down the control arm bolts.
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11-04-2015, 12:12 PM
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Yeah I'm going to take it to another shop. I've had a few other people tell me to take it somewhere else too. I just was curious if anyone else has had this problem and found out what it is that's wrong. I think they must not be completely torquing down the control arm bolts.
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Only way is if the cam bolts are moving. Could be stripped out bolts? I would get second opinion. No way the bushings are causing it.
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11-04-2015, 04:46 PM
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Only way is if the cam bolts are moving. Could be stripped out bolts? I would get second opinion. No way the bushings are causing it.
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The other shop said the bolts were totally loose. He didn't align it though because he found that my passenger lower ball joint is bad. Should I go with OEM or a different brand? I'm thinking OEM.
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11-04-2015, 04:52 PM
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Lower ball joints OEM only. They are a known part to fail and the OEM's are known to last.
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Replace the LBJs in pairs. Maybe I'm stating the obvious but just want to be sure they just don't do the passenger side. Definitely OEM.
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11-04-2015, 06:46 PM
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Replace the LBJs in pairs. Maybe I'm stating the obvious but just want to be sure they just don't do the passenger side. Definitely OEM.
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Why do I need to do both sides? The drivers side has absolutely no play at all.
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Why do I need to do both sides? The drivers side has absolutely no play at all.
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Because the lower ball joints are a known fail point on these vehicles. I would replace them every 100k miles with OEM parts no madder how they feel. Mine where solid when my tire fell off!!
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Why do I need to do both sides? The drivers side has absolutely no play at all.
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Because when they fail your 4Runner can end up on it's roof. They're a known failure point, and not a small failure either... You wouldn't have to worry about the alignment then though.
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11-04-2015, 07:35 PM
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Because when they fail your 4Runner can end up on it's roof. They're a known failure point, and not a small failure either... You wouldn't have to worry about the alignment then though.
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Yeah I hate it when that happens!
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11-04-2015, 08:33 PM
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Yeah I hate it when that happens!
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Me too, it can really put a damper on your day.
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11-05-2015, 12:04 AM
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Because the lower ball joints are a known fail point on these vehicles. I would replace them every 100k miles with OEM parts no madder how they feel. Mine where solid when my tire fell off!!
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Seriously? I just googled it and only found a couple people who had ball joint failure on their 3rd gens. Mine have 285k miles on them right now. From what I've heard from several people in my town is that nothing ever goes wrong on these. A mechanic literally told me that in his 42 years of experience this is maybe the third one on a Toyota he's seen go bad.
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