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Length is an issue. The inline pushes everything back. New driveshafts, new tcase crossmember, electric fans, etc. Engines are relatively easy to find but none of them are US spec.
Gotta find a place to shove that intercooler too
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04-26-2017, 09:51 PM
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04-26-2017, 10:37 PM
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Anyone tried it? Success, failure.. Just checking. I'm looking for more power from my 97 limited..
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I've helped shoe horn the 2j in a couple cars and all went with single turbo set ups for space and Fab work.
Engine mounts aren't bad your going Toyota to Toyota after all
No it's not expensive there are cheap ways to build a motor. Go into a Supra forum and those guys are super helpful and knowledgeable.
And wiring. Stand alone Ecu will not only make everything easier but will give you less headaches tuning later in down the road.
2j single turbo bpu in a 4Runner? I mean wow.
If you've never seen a simple bpu Supra YouTube it.
I say DO IT.
Just plan everything out. make a list check it twice, before you start the project. We did this on my boys 2j 88 starion, and had the car done and running in a weekend. Same thing on another friends 240sx.
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04-26-2017, 10:42 PM
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Well, we can start off with the actual engine mounts, how will you have them made unless you know how to weld? (keep in mind at this point your truck is sitting with no engine, and the 2jz dangling by an engine hoist. Will you contract a fabricator to come over to your house? measure everything, then run back and forth between your place and his machine shop?), then what will you use to adapt the 2jz to your transmission? What will you use for a torque converter because the splines are very unlikely to match up. Custom torque converters, not that cheap.
BTW, good luck finding a good used 2jzgte for anywhere near a reasonably price. Enough time has passed that you can't just find a bunch of JDM ones in a warehouse, and everyone from Supra guys, Lexus guys, hell, even Mustangs, 350z's, 240's are putting those into their cars.
Next, it's very unlikely the factory turbo system to exhaust will just line up to the 4runner chassis, cross members, etcso I'll give you a break and just assume an eBay manifold puts the turbocharger in a reasonable enough place and you won't have to have one made, you still need a fabricator to work out all the wastegate recirculation to exhaust plumbing.
Next we have wiring, engine management, tuning. Do you know how to do these things? --And have the speedometer, gauges, warning lights, shifter all work. Do you know how to do all that? Without it being months of work?
Then comes all the trivial stuff, finding the right intercooler to fit behind the stock bumper, fabricating mounts, fabricating intercooler plumbing, the stock ecu will work, but might throw 10 different engine codes including emissions codes, so you'll either have to hunt every single one down or go with an aftermarket engine management system and tune.
Next we can move onto reliability, those one-off wastegate recirculation pipes might not like the bit of flex from those one-off engine mounts or the flex of the factory 4Runner transmission mount, the vast, vast majority of stand alone engine management setups need constant attention. That 20-25 year old engine harness that you found used from that guy on craigslist has now been hacked, cut, extended, etc, runs across hot spots in the engine bay, etc. This also assumes there is absolutely nothing wrong with that used engine, electronics, etc. Good luck getting your money back for them after you've had them for months trying to get it to work in a one-off setup.
Finally, some day, that sweet 2jzgte is going to make some good power, mild setups will make 450-600 crank horsepower. The 4Runner stock transmission probably won't hold that and will blow up. What now? Keep blowing up stock transmissions? Find someone to build a one-off built one? Figure out a way to adapt the Supra transmission to your transfer case? Repeat step one.
So we have...
Good used engine
Custom engine mounts
Engine harness
Intercooler
Custom plumbing
Turbocharger
Wastegate
Blowoff valve
Custom plumbing for all the above
Custom torque converter
Custom engine to transmission adapter
Stand Alone Engine management
Tuning
Electrical's unless you're really good with these.
Then any frankenstein car, you better be good at troubleshooting and working on stuff on your own. Most shops won't want to touch it.
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All great points
BUT not as bad as you think and not as much work. Everything is very doable, you just have to have patience and know how. Witch I hope the op has especially when even thinking of doing something like this.
It's not like you can just read a write up and look at pictures to get it done like most guys do on here.
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04-26-2017, 11:22 PM
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Exactly. But....I've noticed most Toyota owners are brand loyal bordering on sheer lunacy. Eventually, their pocketbook makes them wise up....but it often takes quite a while.
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04-26-2017, 11:48 PM
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4.3 chevy is an easy swap as well but I always wanted to a 2J swap I think it is doable if you have the skills
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04-27-2017, 12:15 AM
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Ahhh, that's where we disagree. The OP is "looking for more power". It's pretty easy and even reliable to throw on a TRD supercharger, maybe add a pulley and a 7th injector for about 250whp. If the OP wanted a lot more power, built the 5vzfe and throw a couple of turbos on it. I'm doubting the OP was looking for huge numbers making a 2jz just a plain bad idea for someone who just "looking for more power".
OP: Not trying to be an ass here, infact, I'd love to be proved wrong. Project would be awesome.
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Everything is very doable, you just have to have patience and know how. Witch I hope the op has especially when even thinking of doing something like this.
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04-27-2017, 12:22 AM
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It really depends largely on swap. Something like a 20 year old boosted motor, probably already beat on, possibly a stand alone, possibly a bunch of mods on top of that. Sketchy if you wanted to daily it. Something like a LS1 240sx has been done a bunch of times, they sell engine/trans mounts, the PCM is even intended to be mounted in the engine bay, people have even found specific radiator hoses from other vehicles that fit. Far, far more proven, simpler setup.
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BUT not as bad as you think and not as much work. Everything is very doable, you just have to have patience and know how.
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04-27-2017, 12:38 AM
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Me and my friend swapped a 1jz into a BMW.
https://youtu.be/etuQTtG1KsU
He fabed up solid custom mounts. It's a tight fit. But it fits. Let's not forget the 1jz. It's a good strong motor.
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04-27-2017, 07:04 AM
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how about a 1GR-FE swap instead?
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04-27-2017, 08:04 AM
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I've always wondered about this.
Seems to me that the 3.4 is tuned for lower end torque. The 3.4 pulls early and hard and runs out of balls too far past 3500. Part of it is doubtless gearing but I'm sure the cam profile is set up for a power band lower in the rev range. The Supra engine would be designed for hi revving power. Of course if the Supra engine just has more torque all across the range, fine, but how would this impact towing off the line? Or even its low gear crawling performance? I'd be more inclined to the Lexus V8 another member of this forum did.
For the chevy engine swap, can you even keep the same transmission?
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04-27-2017, 09:13 AM
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Being a Supra fanatic and having owned many I thought about a 2J swap into a 4R... for about 30 minutes, until I did some research and figured out just how many things will need to be custom built. Not to mention like someone else pointed out, the tranny grenading. I love the 2J and turbo engines in general, but some things are just too much work and cash for what you will end up with. If you want bragging rights to be able to say you have a 2J 4R then go for it. If you want more power then there are many other ways to get that for much much less hassle and money.
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Not trying to be a di*k, but I think the general consensus is, if you have to ask about an engine swap you probably shouldn't be doing an engine swap.
Similar situation to the people who come in here asking how to solid axle swap and what axle to use...
The information is out there.. If you're really competent enough to do the work yourself then do the research!
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04-27-2017, 10:09 AM
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98% of these threads turn to nothing ever being started. We will see were this goes.
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04-27-2017, 11:47 AM
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98% of these threads turn to nothing ever being started. We will see were this goes.
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Wonder what happened to the guy who was going to put in a 1GZ and do it in a weekend or something.
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