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Well, we can start off with the actual engine mounts, how will you have them made unless you know how to weld? (keep in mind at this point your truck is sitting with no engine, and the 2jz dangling by an engine hoist. Will you contract a fabricator to come over to your house? measure everything, then run back and forth between your place and his machine shop?), then what will you use to adapt the 2jz to your transmission? What will you use for a torque converter because the splines are very unlikely to match up. Custom torque converters, not that cheap.
BTW, good luck finding a good used 2jzgte for anywhere near a reasonably price. Enough time has passed that you can't just find a bunch of JDM ones in a warehouse, and everyone from Supra guys, Lexus guys, hell, even Mustangs, 350z's, 240's are putting those into their cars.
Next, it's very unlikely the factory turbo system to exhaust will just line up to the 4runner chassis, cross members, etcso I'll give you a break and just assume an eBay manifold puts the turbocharger in a reasonable enough place and you won't have to have one made, you still need a fabricator to work out all the wastegate recirculation to exhaust plumbing.
Next we have wiring, engine management, tuning. Do you know how to do these things? --And have the speedometer, gauges, warning lights, shifter all work. Do you know how to do all that? Without it being months of work?
Then comes all the trivial stuff, finding the right intercooler to fit behind the stock bumper, fabricating mounts, fabricating intercooler plumbing, the stock ecu will work, but might throw 10 different engine codes including emissions codes, so you'll either have to hunt every single one down or go with an aftermarket engine management system and tune.
Next we can move onto reliability, those one-off wastegate recirculation pipes might not like the bit of flex from those one-off engine mounts or the flex of the factory 4Runner transmission mount, the vast, vast majority of stand alone engine management setups need constant attention. That 20-25 year old engine harness that you found used from that guy on craigslist has now been hacked, cut, extended, etc, runs across hot spots in the engine bay, etc. This also assumes there is absolutely nothing wrong with that used engine, electronics, etc. Good luck getting your money back for them after you've had them for months trying to get it to work in a one-off setup.
Finally, some day, that sweet 2jzgte is going to make some good power, mild setups will make 450-600 crank horsepower. The 4Runner stock transmission probably won't hold that and will blow up. What now? Keep blowing up stock transmissions? Find someone to build a one-off built one? Figure out a way to adapt the Supra transmission to your transfer case? Repeat step one.
So we have...
Good used engine
Custom engine mounts
Engine harness
Intercooler
Custom plumbing
Turbocharger
Wastegate
Blowoff valve
Custom plumbing for all the above
Custom torque converter
Custom engine to transmission adapter
Stand Alone Engine management
Tuning
Electrical's unless you're really good with these.
Then any frankenstein car, you better be good at troubleshooting and working on stuff on your own. Most shops won't want to touch it.
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Thank you, absolutely awesome post. well stated, and it wasn't to hard to spitball those ideas. Again, I can not thank you enough.
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04-28-2017, 04:13 PM
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I do agree.. Thanks for the post.. LS swap it.
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I've helped shoe horn the 2j in a couple cars and all went with single turbo set ups for space and Fab work.
Engine mounts aren't bad your going Toyota to Toyota after all
No it's not expensive there are cheap ways to build a motor. Go into a Supra forum and those guys are super helpful and knowledgeable.
And wiring. Stand alone Ecu will not only make everything easier but will give you less headaches tuning later in down the road.
2j single turbo bpu in a 4Runner? I mean wow.
If you've never seen a simple bpu Supra YouTube it.
I say DO IT.
Just plan everything out. make a list check it twice, before you start the project. We did this on my boys 2j 88 starion, and had the car done and running in a weekend. Same thing on another friends 240sx.
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Thank you, and thank you for being so helpful and positive. Awesome.
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Ahhh, that's where we disagree. The OP is "looking for more power". It's pretty easy and even reliable to throw on a TRD supercharger, maybe add a pulley and a 7th injector for about 250whp. If the OP wanted a lot more power, built the 5vzfe and throw a couple of turbos on it. I'm doubting the OP was looking for huge numbers making a 2jz just a plain bad idea for someone who just "looking for more power".
OP: Not trying to be an ass here, infact, I'd love to be proved wrong. Project would be awesome.
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Thanks. Yep the idea was to add power, for pulling. the way you stated it is the difference between straight up, and Richard. I find that I end up pulling a trailer hauling stuff quite a bit. I have two kids that in college and I have to go move them around every year, pulling a boat, hauling firewood. I've added a lift and 34 inch tires m/t tires, the tundra break upgrade, and a few other upgrades. The thing is sucking gas like it's kool-aide. if she got a bit more HP, she could use less gas. I could be way off on that, and could be opening myself up again as well.
Again thanks for the well made, spot on point..
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04-28-2017, 04:30 PM
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how about a 1GR-FE swap instead?
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How about that? Let's throw ideas. this is the point..
I'll spend some time reading this thread: 3.4 vs 4.0 reliability
I did just see some oiling issues, on the interwebs.. anyone have experience?
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04-29-2017, 04:08 AM
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No sweat, I can babble on all day :P
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Thank you, absolutely awesome post. well stated, and it wasn't to hard to spitball those ideas. Again, I can not thank you enough.
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I'd recommend just going TRD supercharger for simplicity and reliability. Looks like people are getting 250whp without too much trouble. That's a huge bump from the 140whp that it comes with from the factory. Your gas mileage won't really improve with it though If gas mileage is on the top of your list, you'll probably want a diesel truck.
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Thanks. Yep the idea was to add power, for pulling. the way you stated it is the difference between straight up, and Richard. I find that I end up pulling a trailer hauling stuff quite a bit. I have two kids that in college and I have to go move them around every year, pulling a boat, hauling firewood. I've added a lift and 34 inch tires m/t tires, the tundra break upgrade, and a few other upgrades. The thing is sucking gas like it's kool-aide. if she got a bit more HP, she could use less gas. I could be way off on that, and could be opening myself up again as well.
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No sweat, I can babble on all day :P
I'd recommend just going TRD supercharger for simplicity and reliability. Looks like people are getting 250whp without too much trouble. That's a huge bump from the 140whp that it comes with from the factory. Your gas mileage won't really improve with it though If gas mileage is on the top of your list, you'll probably want a diesel truck.
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Thanks, Mike.
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It can and has been done, there are several videos on youtube of people swapping a 2JZ into a 3rd gen.
It will cost a small fortune and be a ton of work though.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rggWyBm5bQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqyeeRX7hlI
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I missed this thread the first time around (first baby born just before that date...).
Wow, what a bunch of negative nancys!
While I agree that someone 'just looking for more power' shouldn't be doing a motor swap... it isn't that hard of a swap!
There are all factory Toyota parts that will adapt a 2jz-gte to the factory auto or manual transmission in the 4Runner. There is a company that makes the mounts for the swap (so, very little fab work). If you get the right version of the 2jz (or just swap the right oil pan), it clears the front diff. Then it is down to wiring (well documented for all those putting 2j's in other cars besides Supras)... Total budget around $5-6k would probably get it done right (doing most/all work yourself).
It is probably on par with a solid axle swap, etc. but I have personally done similarly difficult swaps, and I don't really consider myself that high on the list of 'top fabricators' or 'top builders' on here...
(3s-gte into an '89 Camry Alltrac - AWD, manual transmission, ~250whp)
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I’m currently working on putting a 2j into my 95 4Runner, transmission bolts right up to the block. I got a transmission slide bracket that way I don’t have to tap my frame. Just curious to know. What engine mounts would work better? The hilux or Tacoma? I can’t find any made specifically for a 4Runner
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