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My HG failed on cylinder #3. I also had a slow coolant loss I couldn't find and the rough start up in the mornings.
Eventually I got the massive white smoke show and decided to do a leak down test. Once I pressurized the #3 cylinder, bubbles came out of my radiator.
I had a good working engine on hand so I swapped engines instead of trying to rebuild the old one (had 214k miles on it).
For the last couple months I've been losing coolant on the new/used motor and it's had me worried. Could I really have the insanely bad luck to blow another HG on one of these engines even though the donor engine was meticulously maintained (bought it off a member on here)?
Thankfully, I found my leak. The heater hose that goes from the heater core to the heater control valve sprung a leak. It would only leak occasionally after the truck had been running for awhile and was really warmed up. What made me a little less concerned was I could smell coolant under the hood but I couldn't find the leak.
When the HG blew on the original engine, I never smelled any coolant.
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I am on my 3rd vehicle in a row with a blown head gasket so nothing surprises me. First was my 2001 XJ, then a 2000 XJ, and now this 99 4runner which was maintained very well. I am on a string of bad luck.
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I am on my 3rd vehicle in a row with a blown head gasket so nothing surprises me. First was my 2001 XJ, then a 2000 XJ, and now this 99 4runner which was maintained very well. I am on a string of bad luck.
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Overheated or just bad gaskets ya' think?
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01-10-2019, 11:16 AM
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Thanks for your help, Ill be able to check the plugs tomorrow. I forgot to mention, the timing belt and water pump was replaced 6 months ago after overheating a few times from a busted water pump seal. I've heard that overheating can lead to head gasket failure. If this is true I'm assuming my head gasket has most likely failed. I don't have the time or skill to do this repair so I'm planning to let a shop deal with it. Anyone know any good mechanics in Raleigh?
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Already overheated AND coolant level mysteriously dropping/low?
I wager it's hydrolocked with a blown hg... which sucks
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01-10-2019, 11:38 AM
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I am on my 3rd vehicle in a row with a blown head gasket so nothing surprises me. First was my 2001 XJ, then a 2000 XJ, and now this 99 4runner which was maintained very well. I am on a string of bad luck.
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I had a 95 ZJ with the bullet proof 4.0 I6. That engine had 303k miles on it and it never let me down once.
As much of a piece of junk the rest of that Jeep was, the engine was the one thing I could trust.
I actually saw it on facebook BST a few months ago for sale again. It had like 320k miles on it and the seller said it still ran great but was otherwise a POS...lol
I'm surprised you had a couple HG's go on your XJ's.
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01-10-2019, 12:46 PM
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I had a 95 ZJ with the bullet proof 4.0 I6. That engine had 303k miles on it and it never let me down once.
As much of a piece of junk the rest of that Jeep was, the engine was the one thing I could trust.
I actually saw it on facebook BST a few months ago for sale again. It had like 320k miles on it and the seller said it still ran great but was otherwise a POS...lol
I'm surprised you had a couple HG's go on your XJ's.
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They both had the 4.0. The 01 went at 103k and the 00 went at 101k. I had two TJ's with the 2.5 and those gave me zero issues. I actually switched to Toyota hoping the reliability they are known for would give me less of a headache but....nope.
Sorry to hijack your thread OP.
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Aww bummer, if your truck was drinking coolant then it might be the case and your head gasket failed because of the overheat. However, these engines are pretty stout so you might catch a break and nothing on the bottom end might be damaged. When you pull the plugs out, get a long breaker bar and turn the engine over one complete revolution by hand (360 rotation clockwise) via the crank pulley bolt. Watch for anything bubbling out of the spark plug holes and listen for any abnormal noises. That will give you a clue as to what might have went wrong and if there's hope to revive it.
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Pulled all the plugs and didn't see any liquid down there, I had a bright light and I'm pretty certain it was dry. But cylinder 3 had moisture on the end of the rubber plug attached to the spark plug wire. None of the other rubber plugs had moisture. I stuck a hose down cylinder 3 and it came up dry. My ultragauge had no new codes except 420 and 440 which I knew were already on. While manually turning the engine 360 degrees I heard a very light but constant clicking noise. Almost like when you turn the knob on those old toaster ovens. Is that normal? I heard no other noises. Checked inside the cylinders again, no bubbles or anything. As a side note the coolant reservoir has gradually dropped a little more than an inch in 6 months. Doesn't seem like very much but maybe its enough to hydro lock. If it is hydro locked maybe the engine dispersed all of the coolant when I cranked it yesterday, making it look dry. idk. I know theres no way to tell for sure but what do y'all think, can it be salvaged?
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01-10-2019, 06:35 PM
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I'm the farthest thing from an expert, and the posters above are likely more on the right track than I am, but that behavior is almost exactly the same behavior I experienced when my fuel pump went out. Similar mileage too, I was maybe at 208-210k or so.
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Funny you mention that, my fuel pump went out 2 months ago!
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01-10-2019, 06:47 PM
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Funny you mention that, my fuel pump went out 2 months ago!
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Ah, dang. Was hoping I had maybe found a simple solution for you. Again, best of luck! Hope it all works out.
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Pulled all the plugs and didn't see any liquid down there, I had a bright light and I'm pretty certain it was dry. But cylinder 3 had moisture on the end of the rubber plug attached to the spark plug wire. None of the other rubber plugs had moisture. I stuck a hose down cylinder 3 and it came up dry. My ultragauge had no new codes except 420 and 440 which I knew were already on. While manually turning the engine 360 degrees I heard a very light but constant clicking noise. Almost like when you turn the knob on those old toaster ovens. Is that normal? I heard no other noises. Checked inside the cylinders again, no bubbles or anything. As a side note the coolant reservoir has gradually dropped a little more than an inch in 6 months. Doesn't seem like very much but maybe its enough to hydro lock. If it is hydro locked maybe the engine dispersed all of the coolant when I cranked it yesterday, making it look dry. idk. I know theres no way to tell for sure but what do y'all think, can it be salvaged?
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If it hydro locked, that fluid didn't just disappear or evaporate. It would either have drained into your crankcase, or be pooled up in the cylinder. So if there's no trace of coolant, that's good.
Can you describe this "ticking" noise? It should not be ticking as you rotate. Where did the noise come from? Was it from inside the engine, under the valve covers, or perhaps something external like the A/C compressor bearings?
I should also ask, have you tried to start it again?
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I had a 95 ZJI'm surprised you had a couple HG's go on your XJ's.
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The 2000 and 2001 XJs had a redesigned head, called the 0331, that was far more prone to failure than previous years. Real shame since the engine is otherwise bulletproof. My gf has a 2001 XJ that was slowly leaking coolant. I eventually fixed it by replacing the radiator and water pump, but for a while I was freaking out.
Best of luck OP! Sorry to continue the thread jack, but I'm always asking questions around here so I didn't want to miss an opportunity to actually contribute something for once...
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Were your spark plugs super clean when you pulled them?
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If it hydro locked, that fluid didn't just disappear or evaporate. It would either have drained into your crankcase, or be pooled up in the cylinder. So if there's no trace of coolant, that's good.
Can you describe this "ticking" noise? It should not be ticking as you rotate. Where did the noise come from? Was it from inside the engine, under the valve covers, or perhaps something external like the A/C compressor bearings?
I should also ask, have you tried to start it again?
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OK so I hand-turned the engine for a while today trying to figure out where it's coming from. I took the AC belt off, nothing changed. I stopped the PS pulley and cooling fan pulley, nothing changed. Didn't stop the alternator, I know it wasn't coming from that. It sounded like it was coming from down near the crank pulley. I think inside the engine. It's hard to tell. I put the spark plugs in and tried to crank it again. Same thing, just a loud wining noise from the unresponsive engine and starter, except this time there was no smoke! Hopefully that's a good thing. I took a video but i can't figure out how to upload it.
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Were your spark plugs super clean when you pulled them?
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Not really. They're pretty grimy.
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Not really. They're pretty grimy.
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Im not an expert on head gaskets yet (luckily ) But the rust coloring around the base of the plugs is slightly concerning, as well as the gritty debris. You don't have classic white ash colored tips though that would be indicative of head gasket failure.
This might be a dumb question but did you clean the spark plugs? You can use a wire brush, they are not that delicate. You might just not be getting enough spark to get it turned over. Of course a compression test would also be a good idea I think most auto parts stores will lend you a compression gauge for free.
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Im not an expert on head gaskets yet (luckily ) But the rust coloring around the base of the plugs is slightly concerning, as well as the gritty debris. You don't have classic white ash colored tips though that would be indicative of head gasket failure.
This might be a dumb question but did you clean the spark plugs? You can use a wire brush, they are not that delicate. You might just not be getting enough spark to get it turned over. Of course a compression test would also be a good idea I think most auto parts stores will lend you a compression gauge for free.
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Honestly, cleaning them didn't even cross my mind! I'll have to pull them back out tomorrow, thanks for the suggestion.
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