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Couple people have mentioned tire balance which it can be, the stock wheels aren't hard to balance, the place doing it has to use the correct centering tool on the balance machine....the lug nuts are shank style and the wheels are not hub centric rims,,,what this means is the rims need to be balanced with finger style centering hub on the machine...most new machines have one that can be set up to balance correctly...you got to find the right place to balance them,,,look for a road force machine made by Hunter...road force might be out too...but they should have that tool that comes with the machine...one other thing it could be is the front differential left side bearing is giving you front drive shaft vibration.,,that's tough to track down and usually happens after a lift is installed though.
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01-31-2019, 01:37 AM
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I had a very similar wobble at 65 mph (I started an entire thread on that topic, "Rate your truck's highway manners"). Wise folks told me to start with the easy stuff, tires.
New tires alone did not fix it, but road force balancing did. You might want to have the tires road force balanced, if you haven't had that done already.
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01-31-2019, 03:03 AM
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Road force balance...that’s new to me. I will ask around. I thought balancing tires is a pretty universal procedure. Shows how much I know on this subject matter. Thank you for all who have chimed in. I’m going to look around for a sh that specializes in alignment and possibly off-road shops that might be more savvy in this area. It’s not harsh, and certainly not jerking wheel out of my hands. It’s more of an annoyance than anything. I just want to make sure it’s not going to get worse.
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01-31-2019, 10:37 AM
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Road force balance corrected a 65mph steering wheel wobble for me as well.
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01-31-2019, 10:52 AM
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Road force balance...that’s new to me. I will ask around. I thought balancing tires is a pretty universal procedure. Shows how much I know on this subject matter.
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Don't accept a wobbly steering wheel, you shouldn't have that!
A couple of sources for additional info:
Road Force Balancing | MotorWeek
What Is Road Force Tire Balancing & Match Mounting? | Discount Tire Direct
Tire Balance Vibration Fix! - Toyota FJ Cruiser Forum
I believe that most Discount Tire/America's Tire shops can do road force balancing. Of course an extra complication is getting someone to do it who actually knows how. I had one guy take almost 10 minutes per wheel to do it right, he kept remounting the tire on the wheel until he was happy. Then I had a different crew on another day, who never remounted any of the tires, so I think they took shortcuts (unless they got totally lucky, which is hard to believe).
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01-31-2019, 10:52 AM
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I’m going to look around for a sh that specializes in alignment and possibly off-road shops that might be more savvy in this area..
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Never fun looking for new shops to do business with. Word of mouth is very good way to find them.
Road Force machines been out 30 yr not all shops have them still, I ask shop do you have R/F machine.
Then you have the guys doing the work, ha. most don't give a chit how they torque lugs in pattern or not.
I've asked folks that are rollin on 22's 24's 26's all high dollar where they go, they're hard to get right.
Same with alignment shops equipment, you have lastest and greatest. Same with guy's doing work.
If things are not right after they do work, be a pain in their ass till it's right.
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02-05-2019, 01:29 PM
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Just a data point for this thread: My T4R had noticeable SW vibration at 65+MPH since I bought it in Oct.
Finally got tired of it so took it to DT last Friday for a rotate and balance (RF). $40 later and it fixed the problem so it is now smooth as can be.
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02-05-2019, 03:12 PM
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I'm having the same issue on my Elantra. Put new winter tires on in December hoping it would fix the issue but it did not. I know the rotors on the Elantra are warped slightly (loud vibration braking downhill on the pass to Dillon), but whats weird is the brakes on the Runner are far more warped and I don't get the high-speed vibration--only the vibration when braking. I'll take the Elantra back to DT to see if they can re-balance using road force machine. Intend to do the TBU in the next month or so on the Runner.
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02-05-2019, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 4Runner4Leon
unless they got totally lucky, which is hard to believe
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I have gotten lucky on car tires (~24" rolling diameter, 45 profile) with good wheels and tires. One of the wheels on my Alltrac has 0 weights on it right now!
But for 30"+ tires, no way. Too much rubber to deal with.
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02-06-2019, 04:12 PM
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Unless they are unbelievably incompetent, I can't imagine them screw it up.
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you'd be surprised. makes you wonder why most of us won't let somebody else touch our vehicles.
discount tire here in nw houston took 4 attempts at my limited 5stars and KO2s and still couldn't get it right. try your local toyota dealership, mine offered road force balancing and they told me that it's really difficult to get them in balance esp with big tires and most shops are incapable. it was a bit more expensive but it fixed my wobble.
also: ask for them to put as many stick on weights inside vs outside as they can, if possible with your setup. hammering outside weights on there tears up the rim, looks bad, and they come off while wheeling.
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02-06-2019, 10:11 PM
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My apologies in advance if this has been posted (i'm sure it has), but when I tried doing a search, there were various causes in various scenarios, so it was hard to filter it down.
My 2001 SR5 with about 184k miles has had a steering wobble since I got the truck at 180k. When the truck is going around 65 to 70 on the freeway, the steering wheel wobbles noticeably. Not to the point of the well-known F150 "death wobble," but enough to be annoying, and I'm sure it's not normal. I've had new Cooper Adventurers for about two weeks, and an alignment was done when I got the tires. BUT, the wobble was happening even before I got new tires. Weird thing is, the wobble is more pronounced sometimes than others. And, at times, the wobble goes away for a bit.
What are some of the common causes for this type of wobble, especially when it's not consistent? The road is nice and flat around where I live, and the tire pressure is equal. No bent wheels were reported by the shop.
Thanks in advance for your help and advice!
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I Just had an alignment done and it seemed to solve the wobble for me! hope that helps.
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02-06-2019, 11:53 PM
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Road force balancing helped mine but the real fix was replacing the LCA bushings. YMMV
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