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Battle Born Offroad 02-22-2019 05:03 PM
Also, a lot of companies are offering these larger bead wheels that grip the tires better without needing a bead lock ring.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...g?v=1546443365

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...g?v=1546443365

96RedRunner 02-22-2019 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Battle Born Offroad (Post 3237644)
We can do those KMCs for $260 a pop, delivered...
Damn had know idea price had dropped to that. Thanks for throwing that out there.

wrench.n.wheel 02-22-2019 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Battle Born Offroad (Post 3237669)
Also, a lot of companies are offering these larger bead wheels that grip the tires better without needing a bead lock ring.

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...g?v=1546443365

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...g?v=1546443365
Do you guys carry these? Anything in 16x8?

Battle Born Offroad 02-22-2019 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by krutoydiesel (Post 3237856)
Do you guys carry these? Anything in 16x8?
We do!


The only model currently offered in a 16" is the MR701, comes in bronze or black

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...g?v=1546443369

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/01...g?v=1546443365

$780 for a set of 4, delivered

wrench.n.wheel 02-22-2019 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Battle Born Offroad (Post 3237863)
What's the backspacing and offset on these?

Battle Born Offroad 02-22-2019 10:18 PM
4.5BS, 0 Offset :biggrin2:

wrench.n.wheel 02-23-2019 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Battle Born Offroad (Post 3237891)
4.5BS, 0 Offset :biggrin2:
:(

That's a shame, I need 3.5 BS.

SnowLizard 02-23-2019 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Black798 (Post 3237328)
1 33s hold beads really well, I routinely ran my 33s down to 8psi and never had a problem without beadlocks. They aren't that much bigger than stock tires and on a decent rimthey hold just fine
ABSOLUTELY!!! people need to know a 16 inch rim can REALLY hold a stiff walled tire, I too routinely air down to 10 on rocks/dirt and 6 in snow...

I have yet to pop a bead on my stock rims.

running 285/70r16 (32x11.5 r 16) nitto trail grapplers (mud terrain)

bike 02-23-2019 02:58 AM
I normally air down to 5ish on stock wheels. Haven't lost a bead yet (but won't be surprised when I do). I've burped a bead a couple times at speed (driving way too fast for that pressure) but nothing major.

sleepydad 02-23-2019 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Battle Born Offroad (Post 3237891)
4.5BS, 0 Offset :biggrin2:
hmmm ok these are cool I did not know they existed. kind of the better of both worlds for those of use who do not need the best of one world by sacrificing the road world.

not sure they will clear things however with the wider bead.

looks like the 16x8 with 0 offset have a 1/2" wider bead than normal wheels so... most tire calc stuff uses standard beads width and so these really need to be figured as 16x9 with 0 offset giving them a 4.5 backspace.

that is not going to clear the UCA at full droop, unless special custom wheel spacers were used. bummer.

because I would totally be on board with these.

eimkeith 02-23-2019 10:44 AM
I was thinking about all of this last night; using that calculator, wouldn't it be more useful to consider offset than BS? The important clearance is the tire (for truck purposes tire is much wider than the wheel, after all) and the wheel offset is what determines the centerline of the tire relative to the hub face, fender, suspension, etc...

Wheel bead wall thickness and its implications for BS doesn't affect the tire clearance.. particularly when comparing a theoretical tire/wheel setup with a known one?

96RedRunner 02-23-2019 11:21 AM
Damn, beadlocks I want are still $500 each, guess I'll be sticking to what I'm running till lottery pays.

Team_Jake 02-23-2019 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by eimkeith (Post 3238058)
I was thinking about all of this last night; using that calculator, wouldn't it be more useful to consider offset than BS? The important clearance is the tire (for truck purposes tire is much wider than the wheel, after all) and the wheel offset is what determines the centerline of the tire relative to the hub face, fender, suspension, etc...

Wheel bead wall thickness and its implications for BS doesn't affect the tire clearance.. particularly when comparing a theoretical tire/wheel setup with a known one?
This is EXACTLY why I argue that offset is the key factor in determining UCA clearance, not backspace. I’m sure someone will chime in soon telling me why I’m wrong...

@sleepydad You may also want to consider DOT compliant beadlocks, like Hutchinson’s Rock Monster Wheels - they are pretty badass!

Battle Born Offroad 02-23-2019 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sleepydad (Post 3238045)
hmmm ok these are cool I did not know they existed. kind of the better of both worlds for those of use who do not need the best of one world by sacrificing the road world.

not sure they will clear things however with the wider bead.

looks like the 16x8 with 0 offset have a 1/2" wider bead than normal wheels so... most tire calc stuff uses standard beads width and so these really need to be figured as 16x9 with 0 offset giving them a 4.5 backspace.

that is not going to clear the UCA at full droop, unless special custom wheel spacers were used. bummer.

because I would totally be on board with these.

These were designed specifically for Toyota platforms and have been mounted to FJ, Tacoma, Land Cruiser, 4Runners, etc without issue. I wouldnt take those liberties with the math, figure them as what they are, 16x8 0 Offset, 4.5BS. We have 27 sets with not one of our customers having a fit problem. Check Method's gallery for more images.

rkntoy 02-23-2019 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Team_Jake (Post 3238125)
This is EXACTLY why I argue that offset is the key factor in determining UCA clearance, not backspace. I’m sure someone will chime in soon telling me why I’m wrong...
Chime! Actually you can use either number...

If you are trying to compare clearance to UCA or the frame, backspace is what you want to look at to compare apples to apples between wheels. Offset will change with different wheel widths so you end up having to calculate backspace in order to figure out distance from WMS to back side of wheel.


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