King Coilover Weight - Is 600lbs Enough? - Page 2 - Toyota 4Runner Forum

JohnOfTheJungle · 04-17-2019, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtbike250x

I have the 600lb coils on my Kings and I think you'll want to change your rear springs. I am running OME 861 coils in the rear, and didn't touch the preload on the kings out of the box. A set of LC coils would pair well with the Kings setup out of the box.

If you need another 4Runner to join in on the Rausch fun let me know!

I’m going as part of a group trip and we’re doing this 301 level off-road course Saturday 4/27. Unfortunately it’s private and is all booked up. There is a massive FJ Cruiser festival happening there the same weekend though. So the place will be full of Toyotas. I’m most likely going to just drive back Sunday and not wheel.

I’d definitely like to get back out there though again this summer or maybe the Pine Barrens sometime. Let me know if you’re planning any trips - the next couple I have are in NH and VT - you ever head up that way to wheel?

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TonyB66 · 04-17-2019, 10:58 PM

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I went ahead and ordered OME 891s + Tundra 5100s today, hopefully they're here before the weekend so I can put them on Sunday.

I really wanted to try LC's, but I don't have it in me to scour IH8Mud classifieds for days hoping something pops up, and I'm also really looking for 2.5" to 3" of lift max - which the LC would be more like 3.5" to 4".

I thought about 890s because I know 891s are stiffer and I want a smoother ride. But after reading probably close to a thousand posts I found some that turned me to 891s. Apparently paired with Tundra 5100s (softer valving) the ride is firm but smooth. Because I do plan to add another 100lbs to the back and do a decent amount of highway + mountain driving I will appreciate some stiffness & stability, with ability to handle some additional weight.

Will update with pics and the ride once I get them installed.

I likely read the same 1,000 posts as you several months back, and I too found the 891s to be the most desirable for my intended application...

wrench.n.wheel · 04-18-2019, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnOfTheJungle

I’m going as part of a group trip and we’re doing this 301 level off-road course Saturday 4/27. Unfortunately it’s private and is all booked up. There is a massive FJ Cruiser festival happening there the same weekend though. So the place will be full of Toyotas. I’m most likely going to just drive back Sunday and not wheel.

I’d definitely like to get back out there though again this summer or maybe the Pine Barrens sometime. Let me know if you’re planning any trips - the next couple I have are in NH and VT - you ever head up that way to wheel?

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Originally Posted by TonyB66

I likely read the same 1,000 posts as you several months back, and I too found the 891s to be the most desirable for my intended application...

I wonder how the Tundra 6112 shocks with their 600 lb spring rate compare to these Kings, at $650 its half the price. They have a 2.5" body as well.

dirtbike250x · 04-19-2019, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnOfTheJungle

I’m going as part of a group trip and we’re doing this 301 level off-road course Saturday 4/27. Unfortunately it’s private and is all booked up. There is a massive FJ Cruiser festival happening there the same weekend though. So the place will be full of Toyotas. I’m most likely going to just drive back Sunday and not wheel.

I’d definitely like to get back out there though again this summer or maybe the Pine Barrens sometime. Let me know if you’re planning any trips - the next couple I have are in NH and VT - you ever head up that way to wheel?

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Awesome enjoy the course. I know those off road courses book up fast. But definitely keep me in mind, I typically head out with guys from Tacomaworld, but would be sweet to be around another 3rd gen.
I haven't ever been up in that area to find trails. From what I see though, the trails you can find are beautiful. The pine barrens are pretty lame though for trucks, neat for a day of exploring and having lunch in the woods, but not a day of wheeling.

JohnOfTheJungle · 04-21-2019, 04:23 PM

I put on my 891’s today! Got me to 23” middle of hub to fender both front and back. With my 906 i was at 21”, so I gained 2”.

I think I’m gonna drop the kings in the front about 3/4” in the front to give me a little rake.

I did not have the right tools to loosen the top nut on my current 4runner specific bilstein 5100’s, so I kept them in. The ride feels pretty good, absorbs bumps better than the 906’s.

I’m gonna try to bring it to a shop this week to see if they can swap out my 4runner 5100’s in the back for the Tundra 5100’s. That’s a job I don’t mind paying someone for.

Here it was with 906 rear, kings in front

Here is the look now...still a little high up front

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Flemster · 04-22-2019, 02:07 AM

I run 600lbs with .5" of lift and love the ride. They wheel great too, very soft and flex nice.

I have not tried any other spring weights. I would be tempted to try like a 600 14" and see how it rides but the 600 13" do great for my setup.

JohnOfTheJungle · 04-22-2019, 09:33 AM

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I run 600lbs with .5" of lift and love the ride. They wheel great too, very soft and flex nice.

I have not tried any other spring weights. I would be tempted to try like a 600 14" and see how it rides but the 600 13" do great for my setup.

Your rig is awesome.

That’s only 1/2” of lift over stock? How much thread is showing to achieve that?

I’d like to lower mine in the front a bit to better match the 891’s in the back. I turned each side about 2 turns to the right last night which is supposed to drop 1/2” but I didn’t notice it drop any. Adjusting it on the vehicle was also a pain in the ass.

I think I have about 11 threads showing on each. Not sure what the measurement is on it.

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Road Bull · 04-22-2019, 05:20 PM

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Your rig is awesome.

That’s only 1/2” of lift over stock? How much thread is showing to achieve that?

I’d like to lower mine in the front a bit to better match the 891’s in the back. I turned each side about 2 turns to the right last night which is supposed to drop 1/2” but I didn’t notice it drop any. Adjusting it on the vehicle was also a pain in the ass.

I think I have about 11 threads showing on each. Not sure what the measurement is on it.

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I thought that for King adjustment, 5 turns = 1 inch. If that is true, 2.5 turns = .05" adjustment.

**Edit for correct ratios** 5 turns = 1 inch. Thanks @JohnOfTheJungle ! **I removed incorrect info to avoid confusion.**

Useful thread>> King Coilover Adjustment

violation · 04-22-2019, 06:09 PM

did y'all get custom valving on the shocks or running off-the-shelf?

JohnOfTheJungle · 04-22-2019, 07:36 PM

According to the instructions I have 2.5 turns = 1/2”

I did not order any custom valving. I guess this was an extra set that SRQ Fabrication had laying around, so maybe they did, but afaik its standard off the shell 4Runner/Tacoma Kings coilover.

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JohnOfTheJungle · 04-23-2019, 01:25 AM

Got my tundra 5100’s swapped in to complement the 891s.

I have to say - the ride is actually really nice, softer than my OME 906 + 4runner 5100’s I had before. I’m glad I went with these rather than a softer riding LC coil.

On the other hand, while I wasn’t looking for a lot of lift, I kinda do want to be up higher in the back. It’s addicting. I’m at about 22.75” center of hub to fender on rear driver side and 23” rear passenger. That puts me just about level at 22.5” in the front.

This is just with my normal everyday load - floor jack, 2 jack stands, tools, recovery gear, small subwoofer - I’m guessing just north of 100-125lbs.

Maybe some trim packers in the future once I get my bumper built and attached.

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TonyB66 · 04-23-2019, 02:09 AM

Fun and addicting, I agree... Might want to look into 861 springs, but that's quite a bit of lift as I recall.

To compare some notes, I just took these measurements. The front, bone stock suspension, the rear, 891s with Kings.

In the rear, a Savage rear bumper with swing-out, a spare, 72 lbs storage area with small fuel tank (empty) and 40+ pounds of tools and recovery gear.

With that, at about 23 inches in the back....

I would like about 22 max in the front (inch delta), which is seems like the Kings will do out-of-the-box, as you and others indicated.

JohnOfTheJungle · 04-29-2019, 08:13 PM

I did some more adjustments to the Kings and I think I’m in a good place with about 1” of rake.

Current measurements are:

Front driver side: 21 3/4”
Rear drive side: 22 5/8”

To get to that on the front I have about 6 threads showing - I adjusted it down a total of about 8 turns.

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Flemster · 04-30-2019, 05:52 PM

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Your rig is awesome.

That’s only 1/2” of lift over stock? How much thread is showing to achieve that?

I’d like to lower mine in the front a bit to better match the 891’s in the back. I turned each side about 2 turns to the right last night which is supposed to drop 1/2” but I didn’t notice it drop any. Adjusting it on the vehicle was also a pain in the ass.

I think I have about 11 threads showing on each. Not sure what the measurement is on it.

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When I replaced my passenger side fender I was able to measure and it sits right at 21" hub to fender. In the front with some difference between the two sides. The rear sits at about 23" with 861's and all the weight. Not sure on threads. I cranked them a good bit down from how they arrived because I don't like my truck sitting super tall. The rake is fine with me because my fender cut gives the appearance that it is level most the time.

Here it is with a stock, uncut fender. (Sorry only one I can find). This is also after just setting it down off of the jack stands so not even settled yet.