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Old 05-16-2019, 11:36 PM #16
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Separate trans cooler? They really missed the whole point with that decision.
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Nice to have options, including offerings with and without an included trans cooler.

I'm currently bypassed (B&M 70266), and unless the summer leaves me feeling differently, I will remain that way; and if so, I'd prefer a radiator with more capacity, improved cooling ability, zero plastic and dedicated to cooling the engine.
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there've been a number of failures over on TW recently. hit or miss, it seems.
I'm over there more than I am here and I haven't seen anything. But I'm neither here nor there as much as I used to be.

Same part number on the radiators, CC1998? I only ask because (I think) I remember there was some problems with this radiator hitting the inner hood of the Tacomas.

I've been running my Champion radiator for just over a year and a half now with no problems. Nothing runs cooler that it did before but still, no problems.

Edit: I see you're running the Tacoma one.
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I'm over there more than I am here and I haven't seen anything. But I'm neither here nor there as much as I used to be.

Same part number on the radiators, CC1998? I only ask because (I think) I remember there was some problems with this radiator hitting the inner hood of the Tacomas.

I've been running my Champion radiator for just over a year and a half now with no problems. Nothing runs cooler that it did before but still, no problems.

Edit: I see you're running the Tacoma one.
CC1998 is the taller radiator, same height as our stock radiator in 4runner. CC1778 is the shorter radiator for 2.4 Tacoma which a lot of people run for lower clearance. It sits just above frame rails. Champion moved the filler neck back a bit and changed the neck size to accept stock 2.4 cap. I'm not sure which models interfered with hood before they moved it. I just got the CC1778 with the new location of filler neck and it clears hood on 4runner by > 3/4" no problem.

Pretty irritating though, the Champion mounting points to radiator support not even close. I like the Koyo design using stamped vertical rails and looks like they weld in threaded nuts onto it for mounting which certainly would be better than the stupid nutserts Champion uses. Get what you pay for with Champion, as @sleepydad shared in his video, can take a little consideration to mount proper which isn't that big of deal, but would be nice to bolt right up out of the box. Hopefully Koyo got that right.

If this Koyo were the shorter style for 2.4 Tacoma, I would absolutely get that one, especially with the pre-order discount they offered. Click on the link provided, it's $370 discounted from the $492.
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CC1998 is the taller radiator, same height as our stock radiator in 4runner. CC1778 is the shorter radiator for 2.4 Tacoma which a lot of people run for lower clearance. It sits just above frame rails. Champion moved the filler neck back a bit and changed the neck size to accept stock 2.4 cap. I'm not sure which models interfered with hood before they moved it. I just got the CC1778 with the new location of filler neck and it clears hood on 4runner by > 3/4" no problem.

Pretty irritating though, the Champion mounting points to radiator support not even close. I like the Koyo design using stamped vertical rails and looks like they weld in threaded nuts onto it for mounting which certainly would be better than the stupid nutserts Champion uses. Get what you pay for with Champion, as @sleepydad shared in his video, can take a little consideration to mount proper which isn't that big of deal, but would be nice to bolt right up out of the box. Hopefully Koyo got that right.

If this Koyo were the shorter style for 2.4 Tacoma, I would absolutely get that one, especially with the pre-order discount they offered. Click on the link provided, it's $370 discounted from the $492.
I have personally seen @DaMonkey setup - it's sweet. Very clean execution and at the risk of calling another mans cooling setup sexy I will do so.
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Saw this guy on Instagram posted his install.

He said everything lines up nicely!



Now Iím confused... does this new aluminum RAD have an option with a trans cooler built in like an OEM one?...

Or ONLY without the trans cooler portion???

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I have personally seen @DaMonkey setup - it's sweet. Very clean execution and at the risk of calling another mans cooling setup sexy I will do so.
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Funny how they don't make a dedicated MT radiator for their OE replacement line, but for this aluminum variation they decided to make it MT only. Who is the genius behind these decisions. May still be interested anyway.

It's a toss up. Champion - built in cooler, but was designed on a jig made from legos. Koyo - transmission will take forever to warm up in winter, but damn is it pretty.

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Koyo - transmission will take forever to warm up in winter, but damn is it pretty.

Put a thermostat on the trans cooler lines. Its a ~$400 radiator - add an extra $50 for the trans fluid thermostat and have the 'perfect' setup if that's what you are going for.

Temperature in the bottom of the radiator is uncontrolled/unreliable anyway. They couldn't fit the cooler in the bottom of the radiator with the 'triple pass' setup.

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Put a thermostat on the trans cooler lines. Its a ~$400 radiator - add an extra $50 for the trans fluid thermostat and have the 'perfect' setup if that's what you are going for.

Temperature in the bottom of the radiator is uncontrolled/unreliable anyway. They couldn't fit the cooler in the bottom of the radiator with the 'triple pass' setup.

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And knowing Battle Born Offroad, he might even offer a group buy for us. I just installed a new radiator a little over a year ago, only about 2k miles on it, but I might consider such a purchase...
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Put a thermostat on the trans cooler lines. Its a ~$400 radiator - add an extra $50 for the trans fluid thermostat and have the 'perfect' setup if that's what you are going for.

Temperature in the bottom of the radiator is uncontrolled/unreliable anyway. They couldn't fit the cooler in the bottom of the radiator with the 'triple pass' setup.

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Would anyone be interested in a complete kit?

Rad + Cap + Transmission Oil Cooler (With an optional thrmostat for those in cold climates)

We can spec it out so you dont have to!
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Any chance of a shorter manual transmission replacement radiator?
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Any chance of a shorter manual transmission replacement radiator?
And this would interest the auto guys too who have bypassed (or plan to) the factory radiator, so I imagine demand might make it worthwhile...
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Pretty irritating though, the Champion mounting points to radiator support not even close. I like the Koyo design using stamped vertical rails and looks like they weld in threaded nuts onto it for mounting which certainly would be better than the stupid nutserts Champion uses. Get what you pay for with Champion, as @sleepydad shared in his video, can take a little consideration to mount proper which isn't that big of deal, but would be nice to bolt right up out of the box. Hopefully Koyo got that right.
Just as a data point, I installed a Champion 1998 about a month ago and it lined up enough that no modifications need be made. I needed to start all the bolts before tightening, but that's it.

As for the aluminum nut inserts, I have a little experience with those in the experimental aircraft realm. Mine were fully seated and I saw no reason not to trust them. From a rating standpoint, they are so overkill it's not even funny. I'll be shocked if those things are the first point of failure. The bent-tang hangers were beyond worthless though. I'd initially thought I'd just file them down till they worked, but when the day came I simply lopped them off and dressed the cuts with a file.

I imagine money will be the deciding factor for what rad anyone buys. Perfectly fine options for $100, all aluminum Champion for $200 or this Koyo for $400+ (if you need the AT cooler).
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