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I donít drive these things because I canít afford something elseÖ I drive them because I like them.

That said, I am not opposed to owning multiple vehicles if they serve a purpose.
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I have newer Toyotas. Along with my fleet of 3rd gen 4runners. I wanted to save a few and I actually use one as a DD. They suit my needs quite perfectly. However, I don't want brand new ones. For me that depreciation curve is just not worth it for the brand new rigs. As I bought my 2009 brand new in 09. Buying a well maintained one that's 5 to 10 years old can save you a pile of money. Yet at the same time five you a reliable car at a lot less of the cost. We bought the wife's van when it was 10 years old. It was well maintained and paid 1/4 the cost of a new one. It's her DD and is doing just fine. It's really up to the vehicles owner what works best for them.

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I bought my 3rd Gen brand new and have had other cars, suvs motorcycles come and go. It's a very practical vehicle with regular maintenance its bullet proof. Its a jack of all trades and master of non which is its strength. During the two decades it transformed into an object worth more to me then its monetary value. Will I keep it? If money was no option I will indeed.
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Itís not a money thing to me. I always own at least 3 rigs. A diesel tow rig, my wifeís daily, and my daily.
Iíve owned Toyotaís since 2000. Prior to that it was Jeep wranglers.
I shopped over a year to find my current 3rd gen. During that I looked at several fourth genís. But just canít like them.

The third gen is the pinnacle to me. Itís the Intersection of comfort, reliability, utility, maintainability, and size.
2nd gen had a poor 3L motor and too utilitarian. 4th gen is too plush and minivan-ish, and approaching too big.
5th gen is to big, too high tech.

3rd gen 4 runners are like Jeep TJís and 03-07 5.9L Dodge diesels. Itís the point just before creature comforts and technology overtook utility.

Itís not an accident my diesel is a 2006 Ram.
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I love my 3rd gen but sometimes I wonder if air bags will still function/deploy on a 20 year old rig. Nevertheless, I drive it 100 miles per day, Mon thru Friday.
I'm currently chasing an error in my airbag system on my 99 ( lights flashing) so I can confirm the self test on the system is still working.

For OP I'm with the majority here... if it ain't broke don't ditch it. Keep the runner you got, save the cash, invest, adulting and what not...
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The third gen is the pinnacle to me. Itís the Intersection of comfort, reliability, utility, maintainability, and size.
2nd gen had a poor 3L motor and too utilitarian. 4th gen is too plush and minivan-ish, and approaching too big.
5th gen is to big, too high tech.
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Are you so sure about that? Maybe compared to a new Prius C then sure. But an average new sedan? Idk. The small overlap crash test already devours the 5th gen. If the body doesn't crumple then it is you that is taking the shock.
I'm definitely going off a bit of hearsay and anecdotes, not real crash data. (I doubt there'd be an official comparison of a 90s trucks and new vehicles, and I'm too lazy to look).

I don't think anyone who's posted on this site about being in a wreck in their 3rd Gen T4R had more than a bit of whiplash (and there have been some BAD wrecks, including rollovers). I also hang out at junkyards a lot and have noticed that the 4Runners (and other 90s trucks) seem to maintain their overall structure a whole lot better in wrecks, resulting in a less-penetrated cabin.

I feel like there's a sliding scale of how useful crumple zones are compared to how bad the wreck is; and it's biased towards passenger safety (as it probably should be), not vehicle integrity. A 3rd Gen 4Runner passenger might feel a wreck vs the passenger of a newer car, but the 4Runner is more likely to drive away intact, more or less, than the newer car, because of new-car crumple zones. So it's technically safer for the newer car passenger. (no whip lash, possible face planting of steering wheel, etc).
However, if it's not that bad of a wreck (no injury, just annoyance), the 4Runner comes out on top. The new car is destroyed, possibly totaled, and the 4Runner just needs a bumper. This happens far more often, to be honest (3 times for me, and counting). A whole lot less of a hassle to go junkyard hopping for a new bumper in my free time over the next few weeks than to have to file an insurance claim, rental car, higher premium, etc.

I also feel like in bad enough wrecks, crumple zones don't matter much. It appears to me that, impact shock aside, if the vehicle crumples less overall (and the seat belts and airbags work properly) it's better for the passenger. I mean, I'd rather be in a tank and feel the crash jar my bones and have some whiplash than be in a tin can and wind up with the other car in my lap. I probably wouldn't have a lap at that point.
You're probably dead either way in a head on at highways speeds, crumple zones be damned.

So win-win for the 4Runner, IMO, except for in crashes with pretty specific requirements (angle, speed, what other kind of car you hit, road conditions, etc), which there is no realistic way to plan for. Best to have the tank and just pray.

This is completely opinion, of course. Probably an antiquated way of thinking that's been proven wrong, but hey.

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I'm definitely going off a bit of hearsay and anecdotes, not real crash data. (I doubt there'd be an official comparison of a 90s trucks and new vehicles, and I'm too lazy to look).
I don't think anyone who's posted on this site about being in a wreck had more than a bit of whiplash (and there have been some BAD wrecks, including rollovers). I also hang out at junkyards a lot and have noticed that the 4Runners (and other 90s trucks) seem to maintain their overall structure a whole lot better in wrecks, resulting in a less-penetrated cabin.

I understand the whole crumple zone thing, but it appears to me that, impact shock aside, if the vehicle crumples less overall (and the seat belts and airbags work) it's better for the passenger. I mean, I'd rather be in a tank and feel the crash jar my bones and have some whiplash than be in a tin can and wind up with the other car in my lap.

This is completely opinion, of course. Probably an antiquated way of thinking, but hey.

At the very least, the repairs are way easier in the event of light fender benders. Simply replace a bumper, vs the entire front/rear half of the car.
This right here has already saved my truck from being in the shop on no fewer than 3 occasions, vs the other car feeling it a lot worse.
Paralysis and brain damage vs death, pick your poison. The 3rd gen was actually the top in crash testing in 1996 along with the Land Rover Discovery. Pathfinder was behind and you can see a lot more A pillar deformation that intrudes into the driver's area. But those did gain side airbags at one point later down the line in 2002 or so.
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Paralysis and brain damage vs death, pick your poison. The 3rd gen was actually the top in crash testing in 1996 along with the Land Rover Discovery. Pathfinder was behind and you can see a lot more A pillar deformation that intrudes into the driver's area. But those did gain side airbags at one point later down the line in 2002 or so.
Pretty much, yeah. It's not going to be pretty either way, but I feel like life (of some form) is at least more readily guaranteed in the 4R.
Yeah I was impressed with the straight 90s stats for the 4R.
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I'm a car junkie and am blessed to have more than I need in that regard. If I had unlimited disposable income my 3rd gen would get sent to KindigIt or someone like that for a proper LS V8 swap, some custom front fender vents, and other goodies like maybe a custom leather interior, etc.

Outside of that I'll keep mine and tinker on it here and there as I get bored.
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My wife is getting a pretty hefty raise soon and told me I should buy a truck...used, of course. I love my 02 Sport, and so does she so I was a bit surprised. Itís got 160k on the clock. Anyway, it got me thinking. Maybe a 4th gen but every one I see has more miles than mine and costs a crap load more. 5th gen? Again, same problem.

Mine is worth maybe 7k here in NM (?) so if I sold it and added 5 grand, what would you buy? And Iíd prefer not to ďjust mod itĒ. I love off roading but Iím not a big fan of lift kits and things that just cause more problems down the road. Toyota engineers did it right and Iíd like to keep it that way. Just my opinion, so please donít flame me.

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Is keep it forsure. Iíd use the extra money for vacations and making yours just the way you want it!! That way you have a unique truck and if you buy a new one it just looks like every other person thatís driving a new one. Nostalgia! Good luck.
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