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Recommend Shocks
Looking for recommendations based on the following:
1. Want to maintain stock height and relativly stock feel. This is my sole vehicle. So don't want it to be too firm.
2. Sounds like I want to avoid shocks w the allen bolt at the top. Seems like it would be a PITA to install/remove.
3. Will be towing an expedition travel trailer. Probably about 3500lbs. Don't do stuff too crazy. No lift intended.
4.just installed airlift 1000 bags.
Bags are pressing against both the top and bottom of the bags uninflated. So I'm thinking my present shocks are shot.
Thoughts? Thx
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06-05-2019, 07:46 PM
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New OEM shocks are a great option, as are Bilstein 4600's (slightly stiffer than stock). Avoid parts store garbage (monroe, etc.), they won't last. Shocks with allen-head tops aren't too bad with the right tools, this is how I did mine:
Check your rear ride height - it should be around 20" from the center of the hub to the lip of the fender. If the rear has drooped due to age new OEM springs (either '99 'talls' or similar) will get you back to 'factory' height. Moog springs are available, but of questionable quality.
3500lbs towing is a fairly high amount for a 4Runner (yeah, it is rated for 5k). Make sure you have good trailer brakes and a trans cooler...
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06-05-2019, 08:51 PM
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The Bilstein's (which have the allen head) aren't that hard to install, but if they're rusty they can be a real PITA to get off. since you're in AZ, I'd imagine it wouldn't present too much of a problem for you.
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06-05-2019, 09:44 PM
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Is a transmission cooler recommended for manuals?
I actually have similar tools. Ok, so it may not be too difficult.
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Originally Posted by phattyduck
New OEM shocks are a great option, as are Bilstein 4600's (slightly stiffer than stock). Avoid parts store garbage (monroe, etc.), they won't last. Shocks with allen-head tops aren't too bad with the right tools, this is how I did mine:
Check your rear ride height - it should be around 20" from the center of the hub to the lip of the fender. If the rear has drooped due to age new OEM springs (either '99 'talls' or similar) will get you back to 'factory' height. Moog springs are available, but of questionable quality.
3500lbs towing is a fairly high amount for a 4Runner (yeah, it is rated for 5k). Make sure you have good trailer brakes and a trans cooler...
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Called Toyota today. Never heard this before. The dealer said they don't make them anymore! He doesn't have any.
I'm running 265/75R16 so pretty sure that changes the measurement.
35.75 fr ground to bottom of fender
20.75 fr mid point of hub to bottom of fender
Trailer dry weight is 2750lbs. It's a pop-up. So should tow a little better. Rounded up to account for extras. This is what I'm getting. Super excited! My first toy. Been too disciplined. Time to play a little. Australian origins.
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06-05-2019, 09:56 PM
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KYB Gas-a-just is an underrated OEM substitute.
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06-06-2019, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by psea17
Called Toyota today. Never heard this before. The dealer said they don't make them anymore! He doesn't have any.
I'm running 265/75R16 so pretty sure that changes the measurement.
35.75 fr ground to bottom of fender
20.75 fr mid point of hub to bottom of fender
Trailer dry weight is 2750lbs. It's a pop-up. So should tow a little better. Rounded up to account for extras. This is what I'm getting. Super excited! My first toy. Been too disciplined. Time to play a little. Australian origins.
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99 had taller springs than other years. If you call a dealership and have them look up springs for a 1999 4wd 4runner they will be the taller springs.
Tire size will never affect the hub to fender distance FYI.
Manual transmission don't require and aren't able to have an external transmission cooler. Only automatics are able to.
Last edited by Bad Luck; 06-06-2019 at 08:45 AM.
Reason: Added trans cooler info.
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06-06-2019, 10:15 AM
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99 had taller springs than other years. If you call a dealership and have them look up springs for a 1999 4wd 4runner they will be the taller springs.
Tire size will never affect the hub to fender distance FYI.
Manual transmission don't require and aren't able to have an external transmission cooler. Only automatics are able to.
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Hmmm. Learn something ev day. I would have thought the second number in a tire measurement would affect the calculation. So a 265/70 wouldn't have a smaller radius than a 265/75?
If 99 springs are taller, isn't that going to give me rake or a greater lift in the rear?
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06-06-2019, 10:19 AM
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Quote:
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Hmmm. Learn something ev day. I would have thought the second number in a tire measurement would affect the calculation. So a 265/70 wouldn't have a smaller radius than a 265/75?
If 99 springs are taller, isn't that going to give me rake or a greater lift in the rear?
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Stock 3rd gens already had close to 2 inches rake from the factory. Also, If your rear springs are sagging then your fronts will probably need replaced as well.
Tire size will change the hub to ground measurement and therefore ground to fender measurement, but the only factor that changes hub to fender measurement is your suspension components (or if you trim your fenders).
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06-06-2019, 10:52 AM
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Stock 3rd gens already had close to 2 inches rake from the factory. Also, If your rear springs are sagging then your fronts will probably need replaced as well.
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So if i get the 99 tall springs, wouldn't that even worsen tge rake?
So would you recommend getting 4? Or are the springs different up front?
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06-06-2019, 11:09 AM
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Quote:
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So if i get the 99 tall springs, wouldn't that even worsen tge rake?
So would you recommend getting 4? Or are the springs different up front?
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If I was going through the effort of replacing my front and rear shocks and decided to replace my rear springs, then I would go ahead and replace my front springs as well. Just my $0.02. Your mileage may vary, keep all hands and feet inside the ride at all times, don't play with fire, etc.
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06-06-2019, 11:12 AM
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Are you planning on replacing both shocks and springs?
I would go with KYB monimax or bilstein 4600's.
Paired with OME 906's in the back and 880's up front.
I have 890's in the rear and it barely squats when towing/loaded with 200+lbs in the back.
Lift/suspension info:
3rd Gen 4Runner Lift Information and FAQ's - Toyota 4Runner Forum - Largest 4Runner Forum
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06-06-2019, 11:31 AM
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The springs will impact towing more than the shocks.
After reading dozens of suspension threads here, the consensus seems to be OME 906 are the springs to get for towing. The 906's are a little higher than stock but only by 2" (1" more than 99s) IIRC. Not high enough to significantly alter the ride. They pair well with 99s in the front for a slight rake when unloaded. I think you can get away with 906s paired with Bilstein 4600s, but 5100s would work better.
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06-06-2019, 11:36 AM
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Don't tge OME 960‘s add 2"? I don't want a 2" lift. Trying to keep closer to stock height. I'll be using airbags to stiffen.
Starting to think replacing all springs and shocks is likely.
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06-06-2019, 12:26 PM
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OME 906's do add about 2" of lift. That's what I have with KYB gas a-just shocks in the rear. They are excellent for towing but, they definitely ride much stiffer than stock.
OP, I would get a set of 99 tall springs, front and back paired with a decent set of shocks. Nothing beats the original ride quality like...the original equipment.
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