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Paranoid Fabrications makes a mount for that location (and a switch panel, for those interested...).
Ya, I've seen that one, but I don't like the bezel look. I prefer one like the OP that has a rear adhesive mount solution.
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I had a scangauge mounted in that location initially. It's convenient from the standpoint of mounting, but I did not like it all from the standpoint of usability (for my needs).

You have to take your eyes off the road to see the gauge down there, and you have no peripheral vision of the road when you are looking down at the ashtray. So unless you're only looking at at the gauge when you're stopped, I think it's too scary. I have a trans temperature gauge mounted in that vicinity, and I find it very hard to monitor the temperature during driving, because I hate taking my eyes off the road. So I prefer to have critical gauges in my line of sight, which my mounts are designed to do.

Besides, as Charlie pointed out, someone already makes a SG mount for the ashtray location .
Fair enough. If you don't like it, certainly no obligation to make it. I find it convenient enough to see, no less so than my stereo display. But different strokes.
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Fair enough. If you don't like it, certainly no obligation to make it. I find it convenient enough to see, no less so than my stereo display. But different strokes.
I actually don't understand how the Paranoid mount is supposed to work. There is nothing on the SG that can be used to attach to a bezel surround. Are you supposed to use tape or glue? I agree, a solid flat mounting surface would seem like a much better idea.

I'd be happy to add something like what you are asking for to the lineup, if there's enough interest to offset the initial production cost .
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As a long-time SG2 user, well before my 3rd gen, it was just a matter of time before I moved it into the 4Runner. I put it in the ashtray position, using that Paranoid Fabrications mount, as seen here:



Worked well, but the A-pillar location is MUCH better! Wanting alerts, I decided to go with the UG, the Blue version.





Back to the Paranoid Fabrications SG2 mount, I found that it works better with some back support.







With that modification, it is much more stable. Having gone with the UG Blue, in the A-pillar location, the modified Paranoid Fabrications mount is on CL now...

Leon, you are onto something here!
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Thanks Tony! That mod you made for the Paranoid bracket is what I would have done too - odd that they didn't design it that way to begin with.
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Very excited for this mount. Placed my pre order a few days ago!
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A question for the scangauge users - is the SG-supplied velcro sufficient to hold the SG to the backing plate, or would you find it useful to have an additional securing feature?

One idea is to provide slots in the backing plate to use with stainless zip ties, as shown below:



Another option is to add holes to line up with the SG screws, so that you could take out say two screws and replace them with longer ones, holding the SG to the backing plate, as shown below? It'd make it more difficult to remove the SG from the vehicle, which I guess could be a good or bad thing.



Or is the whole thing a solution looking for a problem, and a simple backing plate is good enough?
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A question for the scangauge users - is the SG-supplied velcro sufficient to hold the SG to the backing plate, or would you find it useful to have an additional securing feature?

One idea is to provide slots in the backing plate to use with stainless zip ties, as shown below:



Another option is to add holes to line up with the SG screws, so that you could take out say two screws and replace them with longer ones, holding the SG to the backing plate, as shown below? It'd make it more difficult to remove the SG from the vehicle, which I guess could be a good or bad thing.



Or is the whole thing a solution looking for a problem, and a simple backing plate is good enough?
Leon, I mostly used the SG2 in my other car (MINI Cooper S) for years. I found the use of velcro adequate, for a while. It sags at some point, and the face tilts downward, so not desirable....

I ended-up going with something velcro-like, but no fuzzy side. Like this...



Rock-solid. With buttons on both sides of the SG2, don't just place it in the middle as it will "teeter-totter". A couple strips on the back, near the ends works very well...
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A question for the scangauge users - is the SG-supplied velcro sufficient to hold the SG to the backing plate, or would you find it useful to have an additional securing feature?

One idea is to provide slots in the backing plate to use with stainless zip ties, as shown below:

Another option is to add holes to line up with the SG screws, so that you could take out say two screws and replace them with longer ones, holding the SG to the backing plate, as shown below? It'd make it more difficult to remove the SG from the vehicle, which I guess could be a good or bad thing.

Or is the whole thing a solution looking for a problem, and a simple backing plate is good enough?
I no longer have the SG supplied velcro (bought the SG in 2011, and used in multiple cars) but I'm using some of those 3M "Command" adhesive mounting strips I got from Home Depot and it holds pretty well...certainly more firmly than velcro. And it comes off easily without residue as well.

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Thanks, that's very helpful
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Or just get some extra mounts from EZ Pass as they seem to work well
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A question for the scangauge users - is the SG-supplied velcro sufficient to hold the SG to the backing plate, or would you find it useful to have an additional securing feature?
If you use the traditional (easy to get) velcro options, it will sag with time and heat. If there is a little return/ledge at the bottom of the mount, it would mitigate that issue.

A company called BlendMount uses velcro inspired product (probably 3M made, can't remember - same look as the stuff Tony posted) that works well and I have had good luck with in multiple cars for multiple years. Their product (mounting to a rear view mirror stem) won't work in the 4Runner...

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If you use the traditional (easy to get) velcro options, it will sag with time and heat. If there is a little return/ledge at the bottom of the mount, it would mitigate that issue.

A company called BlendMount uses velcro inspired product (probably 3M made, can't remember - same look as the stuff Tony posted) that works well and I have had good luck with in multiple cars for multiple years. Their product (mounting to a rear view mirror stem) won't work in the 4Runner...

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Thanks Charlie, I've seen Blendmounts, but like you said, they won't work for the 4Runner. They use a flat vertical plate as the mounting surface, so maybe I'll just go that route too - bends are relatively expensive to add, unless you are stamping out thousands of parts. I notice that their kits include zip ties, maybe that's belt and suspenders .
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Let say I order the SG2 mount from you when they become available, and I upgrade to a UG later, will your mount work for the UG or will I have to purchase another mount? Really want to get my SG2 off my steering column ASAP.
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Let say I order the SG2 mount from you when they become available, and I upgrade to a UG later, will your mount work for the UG or will I have to purchase another mount? Really want to get my SG2 off my steering column ASAP.
Good question - I know that I'd hate to have to buy a whole new mount for these situations, so the answer is: you will NOT have to buy another mount if you do that!

The SG mount is essentially a UG mount with an additional flat plate to hold the SG. So if you ever decide to switch to the UG, you can just undo the plate, and be left with the UG mount! Or, you can leave the plate on with the UG, and convert it to a "touchscreen" approach.

Conversely, if someone buys the UG mount, and later decides to switch to the SG, they can buy the additional flat plate separately, instead of having to buy a whole new mount.
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