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I actually do the entire frames from bumper to bumper. Sometimes, it's in steps. On the 5 speed. However, it will have at least 90% of the frame rails done just like that arch. The entire underbody is all cleaned and painted as well. The trick is to remove all the frame holes and paint as well as fluid film all steel. That way, its sealed and use the paint as an indicator. If something up the paint will let you know. :]

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So, if I understand you correctly, you Fluid film the old frame, then weld in the repairs and paint the new repairs then Fluid them after?

Mine was repaired from the dealer so only a couple of spots, but I did Fluid film the inside of the frame as well as outside those areas needing it. Do you use cans or have the professional setup with the long wand and compressed air?

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So, if I understand you correctly, you Fluid film the old frame, then weld in the repairs and paint the new repairs then Fluid them after?



Mine was repaired from the dealer so only a couple of spots, but I did Fluid film the inside of the frame as well as outside those areas needing it. Do you use cans or have the professional setup with the long wand and compressed air?



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No. Fix the frame first. With painted plates. Then paint over the welds. As I am placing the bottom frame welded back on I spray fluid film in the sealed frame as I doing sections. Then paint the outside frame and fluid film it. The paint is an indicator on how things are going. If you see it coming off you need to investigate. The metal has to be clean for the paint to stick. I use acetone to clean the surfaces before painting. Mostly everything gets too coats.

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I use both cans and I buy the fluid film by the 5 gallon bucket and spray it with my air compressor and gun kit I bought from Amazon. Once everything's coated really well. I head for the dirt dusty roads the dust will actually seal the steel off so oxygen cant get to it.

LMS... how bad was your frame? What areas were patched?

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I use both cans and I buy the fluid film by the 5 gallon bucket and spray it with my air compressor and gun kit I bought from Amazon.
Planning on applying Fluid Film after I remove some heavy surface rust from various areas of the frame and undercarriage.
Can you provide a link to the spray gun kit you purchased from Amazon.
Would like to go that route since I have access to air compressor as well.
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Planning on applying Fluid Film after I remove some heavy surface rust from various areas of the frame and undercarriage.
Can you provide a link to the spray gun kit you purchased from Amazon.
Would like to go that route since I have access to air compressor as well.
This is a close as they have now to my gun kit... https://www.amazon.com/woolwax-Lanol...s%2C157&sr=8-7

Mine has a metal attachment as well and only 3 bottles instead of 4.
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Planning on applying Fluid Film after I remove some heavy surface rust from various areas of the frame and undercarriage.
Can you provide a link to the spray gun kit you purchased from Amazon.
Would like to go that route since I have access to air compressor as well.
You better check if you have heavy surface rust on a frame. There is a good chance you have holes in the frame. As from what I have observed over the years of toyota frames, they rust from the inside out. :{
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Hopefully this thread gets big to show people examples of how a frame can be fixed and a 3rd gen saved from falling apart! I bought my 3rd gen with a hole as bad (or worse) than the pictures above, and I fixed it. Patch, reinforce, paint, and protect! Thanks for showcasing your awesome work
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I use both cans and I buy the fluid film by the 5 gallon bucket and spray it with my air compressor and gun kit I bought from Amazon. Once everything's coated really well. I head for the dirt dusty roads the dust will actually seal the steel off so oxygen cant get to it.

LMS... how bad was your frame? What areas were patched?

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The frame wasn't bad as it looked like they caught it early at the dealership.
Looks like a couple of 2-3" patched on the vertical sides close to Cat / Exhaust area. Same problem with passenger side, side panel of bumper. The heat in winter as you know causes havoc with metal and the salt we use in these parts. Appears they undercoated the whole vehicle so that is why the body is in such good shape. I did notice a flaw in Toyota's design behind the front tires there is an opening at the rocker panel point And we wonder why rust happens there, lol The running boards is the saving grace on these units I think.

I just tried to loosen the emergency brakes and opened the boots and you should have seen the salt granules coming out of those boots. Needless to say those need to be replaced. Had the mechanic remove and replace new 99 tall springs and as Tim showed in his video it lifted the rear end by 1-1/2" so she is rolling down the road without the rear sag!
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I use both cans and I buy the fluid film by the 5 gallon bucket and spray it with my air compressor and gun kit I bought from Amazon. Once everything's coated really well. I head for the dirt dusty roads the dust will actually seal the steel off so oxygen cant get to it.

LMS... how bad was your frame? What areas were patched?

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Do you have a lift to use that spray system?
I looked at the one attachment spray wand that is about 24" plus in length
and that looked like it would be easy peasey doing inside of frame.
Fluid Film / Woolwax Undercoating Pro Gun 360* Flexible Spray Wand. 32" | eBay

PS: Thanks for the dusty road tip, man that is interesting and would have never thought of that!!!!!!!!

I used this device and it worked the nuts, but man do those cans disapear fast using that sucker!
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This is a close as they have now to my gun kit... https://www.amazon.com/woolwax-Lanol...s%2C157&sr=8-7

Mine has a metal attachment as well and only 3 bottles instead of 4.
Did you spray the Woolmax product or Fluid Film with this gun.....or both.
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Did you spray the Woolmax product or Fluid Film with this gun.....or both.
I use fluid film and wool wax is extremely similar. Those aerosol can extenders are very good for getting into tight places. The dust just helps make it not sticky and drier and fluid film never gets hard. It's one of the reasons you have to redo your wheel wells every year. As they are constantly getting sandblasted and power washed every time it rains.

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97 5 speed got another foot of frame repair. Passenger side rear arch. I got it close to where I want it. Will look at it again before giving it a heavy coat of paint. Another 16 inches or so and my passenger side rail will be completed. :]Brillos Builds-20190915_143831-jpgBrillos Builds-20190915_145845-jpgBrillos Builds-20190915_173032-jpgBrillos Builds-20190915_173051-jpg

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Looking good Brillo.
Iíve never welded before, can you share specifics and a picture of the setup youíre using as I would love to give it a shot at some point.
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Hopefully this thread gets big to show people examples of how a frame can be fixed and a 3rd gen saved from falling apart! I bought my 3rd gen with a hole as bad (or worse) than the pictures above, and I fixed it. Patch, reinforce, paint, and protect! Thanks for showcasing your awesome work

Thank you... I have fixed some majorly bad frames over the years. I have one driver side arch that the driver side sway arm bracket pulled off the frame. As I have only the top frame and maybe 1/4 of steel holding it at the time. I parked it until I fix its frame [Tetanus 2]..

I am trying to complete my 97 5 speed frame. When they get totally rotted out. Its best to plate inside and the outside and smooth it up. Not only to you get all your strength back. You get the plywood effect with the plates. Makes it extremely strong. I have sections of this frame are over 1/4 inch think now. When the areas completly rotted out.

When you drill the plates and bolt, you get to really vise the plates against the surface. Then you basically use the drill and fill method on areas you cant weld normally. This has been the best way I have found to repair bad and weak areas in Frames. I am hoping it inspires others to repair their frames and seal them up. That way their 3rd Gens can run a lot longer in the rust belt areas. ;-)
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Brillo,

Great Pic's and info on frame repair!
I noticed you had a section of repair that had a arch pattern
in that area of the frame, how did you cut that pattern and are
you using all 1/4" plate for these repairs?

I took your advice and purchased a Fluid Film spray gun with a
long extension ( 32" ) for inside the frame coating. Time to save a
few pennies and stop buying those spray cans. I also ordered a can
of the FF with the brush for touch up spots such as my back bumper.
I am very pleased with the rust on the frame results after applying this
stuff!

Keep up the great work showing us your methods as I will try to do the same on my
end for whatever I do as well where it can help the community here on T4R......

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