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Old 09-18-2019, 04:46 PM #1
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Noob questions about LC coils, tundra coils and shocks

I've been lurking around the forum for the past few days getting ideas on a different suspension. Currently I have bilestine shocks in front and rear and i have no clue what my coils are. Stock i assume? Anyways. I have a front and rear steel bumper, front has a winch and the rear has a tire swing out. Its been almost a year and i've noticed that both front and back dropped by probably a quarter to half an inch, if not more. The bilestines give about 2.75 inch in total. From the research i've done on these forums, and others, i've decided to swap the rear coils for LC and front for Tundra TRD. Some of the questions i have but can't find an answer:

For LC coils:

When choosing LC coils, i have to buy fronts to put on the back of my T4R, correct?

Will i need to change my rear shocks?

What does the "paint code" have anything to do with anything and what one should i choose?

If i do have to get new shocks, are these a good choice? Skyjacker N8055 Shock Absorber and Strut Assembly | Auto Parts Warehouse

For front:

Will the TRD Tundra coils need new shocks?

These are the part #'s i found on this forum for the shocks.

Left Coil Part Number: 48131-AF100
Right Coil Part Number: 48131-AF090

Except they are selling at an outrageous price. $250+. Any place to find them cheaper?

If anyone can help on any of these questions it would be greatly appreciated and i apologize if its too much at once. I just don't want to miss anything.
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@feelingstoned Where to begin?...

Here's a link to the land cruiser FJ80 spring color coding: LC coil spring Color codes look at post 2
Note: some people switch to OME 861's due to a lot of rear weight (steel bumper with full size tire and other crap) lc 861?

You will need longer shocks to account for the lift height as well as changing your bumpstops. Depending on height you can choose from Tundra 5100's, landcruiser rear shocks, or fj cruiser shocks.

I'm not sure if you can put Tundra front coils on 4runner 5100's. I can't help you there. There is a difference between 4runner and tundra front 5100's. This thread has some measurements between the 2 for comparison: Tundra 6112 Bilstein On 3rd Gen. Info & Install
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@feelingstoned Where to begin?...

Here's a link to the land cruiser FJ80 spring color coding: LC coil spring Color codes look at post 2
Note: some people switch to OME 861's due to a lot of rear weight (steel bumper with full size tire and other crap) lc 861?

You will need longer shocks to account for the lift height as well as changing your bumpstops. Depending on height you can choose from Tundra 5100's, landcruiser rear shocks, or fj cruiser shocks.

I'm not sure if you can put Tundra front coils on 4runner 5100's. I can't help you there. There is a difference between 4runner and tundra front 5100's. This thread has some measurements between the 2 for comparison: Tundra 6112 Bilstein On 3rd Gen. Info & Install
Ok so the wrap is basically how high it will go? From what i've been reading an 8 wrap is enough and i've been reading a lot of people are using skyjacker for rear, just not sure if I got the correct part #.
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The stock parts off of tundras and 80's are getting harder to find, and as a result the prices have gone up quite a bit when you do find a good set.

For the front my new go-to budget setup is bilstein 5100's for 00-06 Tundras with coils off of a Double Cab short bed TRD Tacoma 05-15. I've had it on 2 double cab 1st gen Tacomas now with no extra weight and the ride quality was good. With the extra weight of the winch and bumper you might need to go to the 4th notch or maybe look into double cab long bed springs.

For the rear new coils are the way to go. For a lot of weight the Toytec superflex are an option, or the OME 891. Expect the rear coils to be a wear item though, by design they'll sag out quickly with a lot of weight. As far as rear shocks go I've had no complaint with plain gas charged shocks off of the rear of an 80 series land cruiser. I've used OEM and aftermarket with similar results and they're cheap. They also handled well with an extra 300+ lbs in the back.

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The stock parts off of tundras and 80's are getting harder to find, and as a result the prices have gone up quite a bit when you do find a good set.

For the front my new go-to budget setup is bilstein 5100's for 00-06 Tundras with coils off of a Double Cab short bed TRD Tacoma 05-15. I've had it on 2 double cab 1st gen Tacomas now with no extra weight and the ride quality was good. With the extra weight of the winch and bumper you might need to go to the 4th notch or maybe look into double cab long bed springs.

For the rear new coils are the way to go. For a lot of weight the Toytec superflex are an option, or the OME 891. Expect the rear coils to be a wear item though, by design they'll sag out quickly with a lot of weight. As far as rear shocks go I've had no complaint with plain gas charged shocks off of the rear of an 80 series land cruiser. I've used OEM and aftermarket with similar results and they're cheap. They also handled well with an extra 300+ lbs in the back.

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So with your rear set up what is the height looking like? Because I thought OME 891 max out at 2.75. I was hoping everyone would push me towards LC coils since i've seen rigs high and flexing with those
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So with your rear set up what is the height looking like? Because I thought OME 891 max out at 2.75. I was hoping everyone would push me towards LC coils since i've seen rigs high and flexing with those
The superflex with no weight sit around 3.75" and kind of soft, but should handle weight OK and sit around 3" with a swing out and not much else. The 891's do sit lower, I'd say 3" with no weight, but hold up to weight better than any I've had and handle well with extra weight too.

There's not a perfect setup I've found yet. The main problem with LC coils is that 20+ year old coils are going to vary drastically in condition. I had a set of 8 wraps that sat at nearly 4.5" loaded down with 300 lbs. Others report that they're closer to 3.5" unloaded.

One setup that I'd like to try are the FJ Cruiser rear OME coils. Stock FJC coils have been reported to give around 2", the 895 are similar to a stock rate and rated for 2" lift on the FJC and should in theory give 3.5-4" with stock ride quality. The 895E are 1.5" medium duty lift springs so may be the perfect rear lift spring for people with a little extra weight wanting 3" static height. That's all just a theory though until I get the chance to try it out.

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The superflex with no weight sit around 3.75" and kind of soft, but should handle weight OK and sit around 3" with a swing out and not much else. The 891's do sit lower, I'd say 3" with no weight, but hold up to weight better than any I've had and handle well with extra weight too.

There's not a perfect setup I've found yet. The main problem with LC coils is that 20+ year old coils are going to vary drastically in condition. I had a set of 8 wraps that sat at nearly 4.5" loaded down with 300 lbs. Others report that they're closer to 3.5" unloaded.

One setup that I'd like to try are the FJ Cruiser rear OME coils. Stock FJC coils have been reported to give around 2", the 895 are similar to a stock rate and rated for 2" lift on the FJC and should in theory give 3.5-4" with stock ride quality. The 895E are 1.5" medium duty lift springs so may be the perfect rear lift spring for people with a little extra weight wanting 3" static height. That's all just a theory though until I get the chance to try it out.

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Thanks for your reply a lot of good info here. Sounds like the superflex might be the way to go. I did find someone on ih8mud selling LC 7.5s and 8.5s so i'm trying to figure out what the best route to go. As far as shocks i've been seeing guys use Bilesteins 5125s with ome 891, i would assume they would work with LC coils too.
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Thanks for your reply a lot of good info here. Sounds like the superflex might be the way to go. I did find someone on ih8mud selling LC 7.5s and 8.5s so i'm trying to figure out what the best route to go. As far as shocks i've been seeing guys use Bilesteins 5125s with ome 891, i would assume they would work with LC coils too.
I'm no help on the rear bilsteins. As far as shocks go I've always been at either end of the spectrum, I'm either trying to get as good as I can for as little as possible (gas charged LC80 shocks for the 3rd gen), or I just spend the money and get at least a 2.0 with a reservoir if I can't find the right deal on 2.5's. Lots of people seem to love the bilsteins but it's not a big enough difference to me to justify the 300$ extra over off the shelf generic shocks.

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