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Old 10-24-2019, 01:10 AM #31
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As long as you're not over around 3" of static lift, able to get a good alignment, and you're OK with the ride quality there's not a single problem running on the 4th perch with the stock tundra coils, that's what they're built to do. The typical setup would be either 2nd or 3rd perch to achieve it, but you're not the first I've seen that had to go to the 4th to get it as high as they wanted. All the adjustment does is preload the springs.

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Gotcha, that makes sense. After I took out my old 5100s and the stock springs it sits at a true 3 inch with my front bumper and winch

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And donít want to be bearer of bad news but u donít want to be running the inner bump stop on the rear: u have the toytec 3Ē one I see but itís recommended u donít use it and Steve at Sonoran steel will tell you the lc coils r happier sitting directly on the cab. Like the work u did tho! Bilsteins in the 4th perch is ballsy, i think bilstein even adds a thing in the box saying donít go above 3rd perch. An alternative wouldíve been what I did using the tundra billies on the second to last with toytec eibach springs effortlessly achieved me 3Ē and some change in front lift height after my JBA upper CAs freed up the front and allowed it to rise to wher it is now level with rear
Can someone elaborate on why you don't want the rear inner bump stops? I have them installed now with my OME springs. On bumps that cause high frequency oscillation in the rear I do hear the bump stops slap against the spring mount. Maybe this is why?
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Can someone elaborate on why you don't want the rear inner bump stops? I have them installed now with my OME springs. On bumps that cause high frequency oscillation in the rear I do hear the bump stops slap against the spring mount. Maybe this is why?
Yeah if someone can reply to this. I heard mine only a couple times and when I was maxing out the suspension on purpose just to flex. But I wonder why we dont actually need them. They're there to prevent the shock from extending too much but I highly doubt the LC shocks are going to do that

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Yeah if someone can reply to this. I heard mine only a couple times and when I was maxing out the suspension on purpose just to flex. But I wonder why we dont actually need them. They're there to prevent the shock from extending too much but I highly doubt the LC shocks are going to do that

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The cones in the rear coils are there to keep it from compressing too much. They do absolutely nothing if you flex so much that your coil comes unseated. The noise is likely coil slap from the lighter wraps hitting. Suplerflex coils are a dual rate coil with some coils taking less pressure than the rest to compress. The lighter coils are compressed during normal driving but during flex (or the rear bouncing enough) will decompress/compress with the rest of the spring.
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Yeah if someone can reply to this. I heard mine only a couple times and when I was maxing out the suspension on purpose just to flex. But I wonder why we dont actually need them. They're there to prevent the shock from extending too much but I highly doubt the LC shocks are going to do that
The cone bumps are there for compression, not droop/extension. With OEM springs, they act as an overload spring to keep the axle off the frame bumps when carrying heavy loads. If you are lifted enough that you don't get close to the frame bump stops or you have extended frame bump stops, then they just act as upper spring isolators.

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The cone bumps are there for compression, not droop/extension. With OEM springs, they act as an overload spring to keep the axle off the frame bumps when carrying heavy loads. If you are lifted enough that you don't get close to the frame bump stops or you have extended frame bump stops, then they just act as upper spring isolators.



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So you're saying take out the cone supports if I have the extended frame bump stops? Sounds like they both do the same thing and you really only need the bump stops if you're flexing a lot?

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So you're saying take out the cone supports if I have the extended frame bump stops? Sounds like they both do the same thing and you really only need the bump stops if you're flexing a lot?

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If they aren't in your way then I would leave them in as an upper spring isolator
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The cone bumps are there for compression, not droop/extension. With OEM springs, they act as an overload spring to keep the axle off the frame bumps when carrying heavy loads. If you are lifted enough that you don't get close to the frame bump stops or you have extended frame bump stops, then they just act as upper spring isolators.

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So no harm in placing the springs directly in the seat? Seems like that would be louder
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So you're saying take out the cone supports if I have the extended frame bump stops? Sounds like they both do the same thing and you really only need the bump stops if you're flexing a lot?
No, I wouldn't say that. Upper coil isolators are are a good thing, and keep there from being metal-to-metal contact on the upper spring seat.

I'm just saying that the secondary function (maybe primary function, from the factory?) is no longer in use if you have extended frame bump stops.

With factory suspension, they are very nice to have, and are what allow the 4Runner to have the payload capacity it does. Since they are soft, they act like a progressive rate to the springs under standard load compression (both sides compressed equally) and don't interfere with articulation (since they are so far inboard), which is nice. It also keeps you from hitting the hard frame bump stops in most situations, resulting in a more comfortable ride (again, with stock suspension).

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I guess while we're on the subject of keeping or swapping parts out, anyone recommend replacing upper control arms with this lift? Or not necessary?

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