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Old 10-25-2019, 11:41 AM #31
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The CANbus is pretty amazing. People just need to take the time and learn to understand things rather than go "this new stuff sucks!".
I don't disagree... CANbus can be found in a lot of places aside from cars as well.

I see it enough these days that I decided it time to better understand what its about.
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I've owned many different models of Toyota trucks and a couple of their SUV's, currently have 2002 4Runner. All but one were great. Bought a brand new 08 Tundra and thought it was going to be the best truck ever. I love Toyotas but that Tundra was a lemon. 2 years of ownership and it's at the dealership for over a month trying to fix an electrical problem, they never figured it out. Traded it for a Ford Super Duty and I don't think I'll ever buy another Tundra, I was disappointed with that experience. Love my 4Runner though, Toyota did a great job with the 3rd gens!

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I've owned many different models of Toyota trucks and a couple of their SUV's, currently have 2002 4Runner. All but one were great. Bought a brand new 08 Tundra and thought it was going to be the best truck ever. I love Toyotas but that Tundra was a lemon. 2 years of ownership and it's at the dealership for over a month trying to fix an electrical problem, they never figured it out. Traded it for a Ford Super Duty and I don't think I'll ever buy another Tundra, I was disappointed with that experience. Love my 4Runner though, Toyota did a great job with the 3rd gens!
I love trucks, own a Silverado and have no interest in a Tundra.. Once you get into the bigger trucks… The American manufactures do a very good job. Ford / Chevy debate aside, the 2500 HD / F-250 and up Toyota can’t touch.

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I've owned many different models of Toyota trucks and a couple of their SUV's, currently have 2002 4Runner. All but one were great. Bought a brand new 08 Tundra and thought it was going to be the best truck ever. I love Toyotas but that Tundra was a lemon. 2 years of ownership and it's at the dealership for over a month trying to fix an electrical problem, they never figured it out. Traded it for a Ford Super Duty and I don't think I'll ever buy another Tundra, I was disappointed with that experience. Love my 4Runner though, Toyota did a great job with the 3rd gens!
I doubt that it was a Toyota problem. Loads of people just suck at properly diagnosing cars when it comes to electrical problems.

Electrical problems aren't difficult to solve but people need to understand how the stuff works to solve it.
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Related to above: Mr. Eric O in South Main Auto (on you tube) showed how he diagnose a Silverado with an electrical problem in the transmission. Dealer couldn't find it but he was cleaver to diagnose it properly with a test light. There were many electrical related issues that he solved in his videos.
If he get 10 vehicles with electrical issues 6 are Chevy, 2 are Fords, 1 Honda/Nissan and 1 Korean car. Never seen him diagnosing a toyota car for a crazy electrical issue (not sensors).
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All the warning lights, 4wd lights, basically all the idiot lights in the instruments/dash would come on at once. Only way for me to reset it, was to disconnect the battery but then it would happen again randomly. Happened with the dealer techs also, but couldn't figure it out.
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Trucks

I love how some people still think that americans build good full side trucks . They don't. I switched to tundra years ago because all the American trucks were garbage. Their 1/2 tons trucks could not tow as much and the reliable was crap. Now they have improved how much they can tow because the tundra forced them too. The reliable is still crap. My 08 tundra has 265,000 miles and still runs and tows as well as it did new. The motor and transmission is rock solid but so every thing else. I've replaced a bushing on my tie row and that is it in 11 years outside of oil changes.
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Here is a video explaining the differences between the business models, or rather, the difference in design priorities. Like others have said, Murican brands seem to focus on a bigger touch screen interface, WiFi, 32 speed transmissions, over complicated tailgates that won't function properly after 4 years in the rust belt, and the trickest LED running light setup. They are constantly redesigning things every couple of years if not every year to appeal to the customers desire to have the latest and greatest.

Toyota definitely follows their model of slowly achieving perfection over time. Toyota might have old designs and can have issues but they don't seem to have as many or major reliability recalls the others have.

This an interesting watch and a little history on Toyota's evolution as well. Actually a lot of information in 14 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8LWUyhCOhk&feature=youtu.be
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I grew up in what was basically a Ford family and never cared for GM products that much even though I had a few. I can always remember our Taurus, Rangers and Explorers constantly having electrical gremlins. Door chimes and and dome lights that won't shut off, wipers that turn on by themselves, windows that stop working, power steering that whines early on, and overall poor fit and finish.

The third Gen 4Runner convinced me to give Toyota a chance ten years ago while working in a garage and I haven't looked back. I've had an 08 Yaris, 14 FJ Cruiser (that I'll always miss but not the payment), a 15 Yaris, 01 Camry the wife now drives, and the 00 4Runner. I love my T4R and even some aspects of it more than the FJ. I don't regret my switch to Toyota and don't see changing anytime soon.
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Worked for Nissan in the States and Japan 01-08 production engr, night and day difference between who is putting the pieces together on all levels.
Is it a cultural thing or a corporate thing?
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power steering that whines early on,
Oh that power steering whine...talk about a swing and a miss there. I'm still seeing newer Fords that whine like crazy.

Complete forgetful neglect on my part, but I just did a siphon and fill on the power steering pump my 4Runner over the weekend and it was tar black, but the pump was completely silent and I had no steering problems (I realized I'd flushed everything else since I bought it 80k ago, but never touched the power steering. Remedying that now with a few more siphon and fills soon).

And to directly compare my '96 Exploder. The speedo and mechanical ODO died around 160k and I estimate I babied it to 180k before finally just junking it. When it was all said and done, the tranny was slipping something fierce, the AC was completely dead, the radio was dead, the rear folding seats were rusted up (even though I live in Houston), the steering wheel was literally melting in my hands, there was a head gasket leak, etc, etc, etc.

None of that on the 4Runner. Yeah, Toyota is built better.

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And don't forget: Fu...reaking Oil Ruins Driveways

My BIL bought an F250 years ago. It had only 30+k miles on it (not 130k, 230k or 330k). Very soon thereafter, he had to have the transmission completely rebuilt.

I have heard too many horror stories about incredibly stupid things going wrong with "American" vehicles (which so happens, most are made in Canada or Mexico now, if I understand correctly), that I doubt I will ever buy an "American" vehicle. Stories about transmissions actually falling out on the road, etc.

I like my Toyotas, Mazdas and Nissans, many of which happen to have actually been built in the USA.

What I like about Japanese vehicles is that in their design, they look ahead many years. American vehicle designs look ahead a few short years or maybe even just months ("Let's just worry about what the shareholders think this month").

To learn from one's mistakes is smart. To learn from other's mistakes is wise.
You know, those oil leaks are their “active rust prevention”. May be that’s why the new 5th gen 4runner leaking like crazy
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Is it a cultural thing or a corporate thing?
Cultural for sure, When I said that I was speaking of people that worked on production lines, 90%+ care about the job they do.
Here +- 80% care based on the amount of rework needed.
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