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My hope is that they are in between the punishing stiffness of the OME 60028 shocks and the spongy softness of the Bilstein 5100 24-100144 shocks that I own. They're supposed to be a great match for the LC Coils. I actually liked the OME 60027 shocks when they were paired with a linear spring. I'll update you when I get the Tokicos installed and have some drive time on them. They are en route and should be here by Thursday. It takes me about 1 hour to swap shocks in the rear of the truck. Don't even need to jack the truck up.
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My hope is that they are in between the punishing stiffness of the OME 60028 shocks and the spongy softness of the Bilstein 5100 24-100144 shocks that I own. They're supposed to be a great match for the LC Coils. I actually liked the OME 60027 shocks when they were paired with a linear spring. I'll update you when I get the Tokicos installed and have some drive time on them. They are en route and should be here by Thursday. It takes me about 1 hour to swap shocks in the rear of the truck. Don't even need to jack the truck up.
Good to know because I found them for stupid cheap from a local stealership's webstore. If those coils turn out to be 7.5 or 8 wraps then that would be a great combo I think. Might not be that much added rake I'm finding as I think I have more like 3" of lift in the back currently (guy who sold me the truck said it was 2" spacers front and back ><)
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I paid $48/ea. They showed up today. Compressing one of them by hand and timing the rebound speed tells me that they are indeed between the harsh OME 60028 and the too soft Bilstein 5100's I have. I look forward to installing them. They came with new bushings and a top nylock nut, but no stem washers. I ordered a set of stem washers and bushings that fit these shocks. The new bushings have the centering lips built in. That is how most manufacturers make their bushings. Why do I need a separate centering washer? Isn't that what the hole on the upper shock mount on the truck is for?

They won't be here until next week. So, we wait.
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I paid $48/ea. They showed up today. Compressing one of them by hand and timing the rebound speed tells me that they are indeed between the harsh OME 60028 and the too soft Bilstein 5100's I have. I look forward to installing them. They came with new bushings and a top nylock nut, but no stem washers. I ordered a set of stem washers and bushings that fit these shocks. The new bushings have the centering lips built in. That is how most manufacturers make their bushings. Why do I need a separate centering washer? Isn't that what the hole on the upper shock mount on the truck is for?

They won't be here until next week. So, we wait.
Sweet, they should handle up to 4" lift right? The ones I found are 8 wraps supposedly 19.5" inches if we are reading the color code right (I'll measure them when I get them tomorrow to see if they are shorter from age, no history on them, but hey they are free lol).

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I paid $48/ea. They showed up today. Compressing one of them by hand and timing the rebound speed tells me that they are indeed between the harsh OME 60028 and the too soft Bilstein 5100's I have. I look forward to installing them. They came with new bushings and a top nylock nut, but no stem washers. I ordered a set of stem washers and bushings that fit these shocks. The new bushings have the centering lips built in. That is how most manufacturers make their bushings. Why do I need a separate centering washer? Isn't that what the hole on the upper shock mount on the truck is for?

They won't be here until next week. So, we wait.
I'll be watching for you to post your results to this thread, I'm very curious to what you find out. I'm fighting suspension issues as well, my extended travel Bilstein 5100 shocks in the rear are just way too bouncy. My OME 906 coils and Shrockworks bumper (with tire carrier, tire, and hi-lift jack) simply overpower the shocks, they barely provide any dampening at all.

In my 25 years of modding vehicles, finding a suspension lift that doesn't ride like crap has been my weakness. I'm honestly a believer now in running coil spacers with OEM shocks for as long as I can if I can get away with it. Obviously now with 500lbs more in the back of my 4runner, I had to upgrade from the stock coils and old shocks.

I like the idea of running a Toyota LC spring with either a LC shock or a 4th gen 4runner shock...it will keep the components OEM Toyota. Old Man Emu shocks are too harsh and Bilsteins are too bouncy...in my opinion.

They're limited to a 2" lift but I'm very tempted to try these if all else fails...
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I'll be watching for you to post your results to this thread, I'm very curious to what you find out. I'm fighting suspension issues as well, my extended travel Bilstein 5100 shocks in the rear are just way too bouncy. My OME 906 coils and Shrockworks bumper (with tire carrier, tire, and hi-lift jack) simply overpower the shocks, they barely provide any dampening at all.
The 4Runner specific 5100's (not the Tundra application ones that you have) are designed to be run with the 906 rear springs (read between the lines - it is the only 220 lb/in spring with a 2" lift). That's probably your ticket for you, though they are still 'stock length'

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Well looks like I ended up with some 8 wraps one purple, green and white and a double purple, blue and white for what should come out to 4" of lift. I might go ahead and order. Debating on going ahead and just ordering the Tokicos now. I would need extended bump stops for this if I don't have them right?
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I'll be watching for you to post your results to this thread, I'm very curious to what you find out. I'm fighting suspension issues as well, my extended travel Bilstein 5100 shocks in the rear are just way too bouncy. My OME 906 coils and Shrockworks bumper (with tire carrier, tire, and hi-lift jack) simply overpower the shocks, they barely provide any dampening at all.

In my 25 years of modding vehicles, finding a suspension lift that doesn't ride like crap has been my weakness. I'm honestly a believer now in running coil spacers with OEM shocks for as long as I can if I can get away with it. Obviously now with 500lbs more in the back of my 4runner, I had to upgrade from the stock coils and old shocks.

I like the idea of running a Toyota LC spring with either a LC shock or a 4th gen 4runner shock...it will keep the components OEM Toyota. Old Man Emu shocks are too harsh and Bilsteins are too bouncy...in my opinion.

They're limited to a 2" lift but I'm very tempted to try these if all else fails...
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Well looks like I ended up with some 8 wraps one purple, green and white and a double purple, blue and white for what should come out to 4" of lift. I might go ahead and order. Debating on going ahead and just ordering the Tokicos now. I would need extended bump stops for this if I don't have them right?

Yes otherwise you risk ripping the shock in 2. Many options out there fortunately. If your looking for a budget friendly route try for the ~95 Oldsmobile bravada bumpstops. I have the PN somewhere if you need it and wanna go that route. They are roughly double the stock length. Durobumps also sells a +5.25 one?? I believe. If you do heavy wheeling just keep in mind your driveshaft will hit your gas tank when the drivers side tire goes full stuff. You will need to cut the skid a little bit


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Well looks like I ended up with some 8 wraps one purple, green and white and a double purple, blue and white for what should come out to 4" of lift. I might go ahead and order. Debating on going ahead and just ordering the Tokicos now. I would need extended bump stops for this if I don't have them right?
Yep, you'll need extended bump stops. I went with Energy Suspension + an adapter from Sonoran Steel. He no longer sells the adapter for the bump stops I'm using, but he still does sell his own design. And, there are others of course.

This is the ES bump stop I have: Just a moment...

Here's some pictures of them installed on my 4Runner with and without the SS adapter:

No adapter. This is just proving the concept. I think I was the first one to try these on a 3rd Gen. At least no one had posted about it back in the day. I had Downey Off-Road 3" springs, Bilstein 4600's and Beard Limit Straps at that point.





Steve sent me some adapters to try, so I painted them:



And installed them. The adapters prevent the bump stop from twisting plus they add a bit more length to the design. I still have these installed.



Rear view. Apologies for the blurry photo.


We now return you to our regularly scheduled thread about shocks and springs.
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Yes otherwise you risk ripping the shock in 2. Many options out there fortunately. If your looking for a budget friendly route try for the ~’95 Oldsmobile bravada bumpstops. I have the PN somewhere if you need it and wanna go that route. They are roughly double the stock length. Durobumps also sells a +5.25” one?? I believe. If you do heavy wheeling just keep in mind your driveshaft will hit your gas tank when the drivers side tire goes full stuff. You will need to cut the skid a little bit


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Devbot on here is running Dobinson's 220v coils with the LC Shocks. Maybe ping him for his experience. He has a lot of custom armor on his 4Runner.
Thanks I may look him up, I did order the Land Cruiser shocks a few days ago since they're cheap enough. I was tempted to rob the shocks off my FJ and to see how they ride but I'll try the LC shocks first. I'm going to throw in a 1.5" coil spacer on top of the 906 coils while I'm at it. I have a little bit of the squat look going on now...hoping an additional 1.5" of lift in the back isn't too much. I'll post results and pics when I can, probably be a week or two though.
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I was tempted to rob the shocks off my FJ and to see how they ride but I'll try the LC shocks first.
4th gen / FJ / 5th gen shocks should all work well on the rear - but you'll want/need bump stop extensions too. They don't have any more travel, but are 2" longer compressed and extended (basically) compared to 3rd gen shocks.

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