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That's a whole lot of RPM for an RZ. Better be doing a lot of valve train work my man. Bust out the big wallet lol.

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Yup, its getting some decent valve train parts so I hope it will hold up lol.

-Brand new Toyota head

-Stage 2 LCE cam set

-Stage 3 port and polish

-Combustion chamber polish

-Supertech 75lb double valve springs/ titanium retainers / hardened keepers/ shim over bucket conversion.

-Ferrea SuperComp+ 1mm oversized valves

-Adjustable cam gear...
Impressive. That things gonna be able to put any 3.4 to shame when you're done with it. I want to do a similar build with ITBs eventually, not gonna turn that much RPM though. Slowly piecing it together, have the all the easy parts (stock stuff) the stage 2 cams and a megasquirt already but it's still quite a ways on the back burner.

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Impressive. That things gonna be able to put any 3.4 to shame when you're done with it. I want to do a similar build with ITBs eventually, not gonna turn that much RPM though. Slowly piecing it together, have the all the easy parts (stock stuff) the stage 2 cams and a megasquirt already but it's still quite a ways on the back burner.

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I hope so. Plan on around 20-25psi at 500-500whp.
ITBs!? Damn nice! Planning to do an all motor build with them?
Which stage two cams did you end up going with?
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If you can get a replacement gauge face done, that's the hard part... Maybe a a place like Gauges, Custom Gauges, Tachometers, Speedometers, Shift Light, Pod could do the gauge face for you?

(heck, if you get that done, I can probably modify the tach driver to match the new gauge calibration)

OR, if you are really careful, use a 6-cylinder tach driver board on your 4-cylinder signals. When your engine is spinning at 6k rpm, it will show on that tach as 4k rpm. Get the gauge face to match that and you will be golden (no electrical modifications necessary).

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Isn't that the 4 cylinder?

The 3RZ's can support crazy amounts of boost. 500 HP at the crank pushing 8K RPM's really isn't that far off. That's about ~425 RWHP.

For example, my engine puts out somewhere around 270 RWTQ at 5500 RPM's. That's about 282 RWHP. If I was to raise the redline from 5500 to 8000 RPM's, the same engine would make 411 RWHP assuming I can keep the same torque levels (which a S/C can't). HP is just a calculation of Torque and 5252 RPM.
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The 3RZ's can support crazy amounts of boost. 500 HP at the crank pushing 8K RPM's really isn't that far off. That's about ~425 RWHP.

For example, my engine puts out somewhere around 270 RWTQ at 5500 RPM's. That's about 282 RWHP. If I was to raise the redline from 5500 to 8000 RPM's, the same engine would make 411 RWHP assuming I can keep the same torque levels (which a S/C can't). HP is just a calculation of Torque and 5252 RPM.
I see... But... Why not do all of that to the 6 cylinder for smoother torque and ever more performance?
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I hope so. Plan on around 20-25psi at 500-500whp.

ITBs!? Damn nice! Planning to do an all motor build with them?

Which stage two cams did you end up going with?
Should be no joke. I know 5 psi through my stock motor was enough to shred trannies and diffs like butter. I was never easy on em that's for sure. Yep all motor, probably 10.5:1 if I can get away with it, upgraded valve springs and port and polish to run around 6800 RPM.

Nobodies actually ever got it done and running before as far as I can tell, but I'm hoping to pull around 300whp with a w59, 4.10s and sticky 225's. I've got LCE cams, got super lucky and caught em when they popped up on toyotaholics for 400$ new with a bonus new water pump and timing set.

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I see... But... Why not do all of that to the 6 cylinder for smoother torque and ever more performance?
The RZ motors actually have more potential for power output and more aftermarket support. Paradise racing held world records with their RZ powered drag car putting down about 1300hp if I remember correctly.

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I see... But... Why not do all of that to the 6 cylinder for smoother torque and ever more performance?
Yeah, like was said the V6 5VZ-FE has very little aftermarket support beyond the TRD supercharger (although it is smog legal!). That satisfies the power needs of 99% of all 4Runner owners. And then there's me, trying to piece some custom performance parts & tune all together.

The 3RZ and also suprisingly the 22-RE has a ton of aftermarket parts available but most are centered around adding a turbo.
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If you can get a replacement gauge face done, that's the hard part... Maybe a a place like Gauges, Custom Gauges, Tachometers, Speedometers, Shift Light, Pod could do the gauge face for you?

(heck, if you get that done, I can probably modify the tach driver to match the new gauge calibration)

OR, if you are really careful, use a 6-cylinder tach driver board on your 4-cylinder signals. When your engine is spinning at 6k rpm, it will show on that tach as 4k rpm. Get the gauge face to match that and you will be golden (no electrical modifications necessary).

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You sir are a great help. I will contact them as see what they can do about the gauge face, that was my biggest stress, electronics can always be worked around, I might message you later on about modifying the tach driver.
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Should be no joke. I know 5 psi through my stock motor was enough to shred trannies and diffs like butter. I was never easy on em that's for sure. Yep all motor, probably 10.5:1 if I can get away with it, upgraded valve springs and port and polish to run around 6800 RPM.

Nobodies actually ever got it done and running before as far as I can tell, but I'm hoping to pull around 300whp with a w59, 4.10s and sticky 225's. I've got LCE cams, got super lucky and caught em when they popped up on toyotaholics for 400$ new with a bonus new water pump and timing set.

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thatll be a killer setup if you can pull it off.. hard part will be the tuning haha.
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I see... But... Why not do all of that to the 6 cylinder for smoother torque and ever more performance?
Im not a huge fan of v6 engines, although the 5vz is a great example of a v6.

Unbalanced, timing belt, does not handle power anywhere near a RZ can, and as said, the aftermarket support is nil.

I was torn between a 1jz-2jz swap or boosting my 3RZ, I ended up keeping the 3rz for the sole reason that its the original engine. at this point a JZ swap would have probably been cheaper as well.
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I was torn between a 1jz-2jz swap or boosting my 3RZ, I ended up keeping the 3rz for the sole reason that its the original engine. at this point a JZ swap would have probably been cheaper as well.
You wouldn't be happy with the stock 1j/2j power anyway - single turbo, tuning solutions and other bolt-ons would be in your future anyway... so forget those savings. The only thing you wouldn't be doing with a JZ is a full engine build. Trade the cost of engine internals for the engine itself, I suppose?

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You wouldn't be happy with the stock 1j/2j power anyway - single turbo, tuning solutions and other bolt-ons would be in your future anyway... so forget those savings. The only thing you wouldn't be doing with a JZ is a full engine build. Trade the cost of engine internals for the engine itself, I suppose?

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I'd imagine the power output of a 2jz would be significant compared to the 3RZ. Likewise you'd have a huge increase in reliability.
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