User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 11-01-2019, 04:01 PM #1
wtfemery's Avatar
wtfemery wtfemery is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: South Carolina
Age: 23
Posts: 164
wtfemery will become famous soon enough
wtfemery wtfemery is offline
Member
wtfemery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: South Carolina
Age: 23
Posts: 164
wtfemery will become famous soon enough
Already have 5100s, Should I get new springs for lift?

I'm relatively new here as I just bought my truck and I'm still planning out my initial maintenance and mods that I want to do. Looks like a previous owner put Bilstein 5100s on it all around. They still seem pretty new, although the rear of my truck is sagging a bit. I think new springs should go in relatively soon because they look old and probably stock.

Part #s for the shocks are FRONT: 24-248730 (B8 5100) REAR: 24-249966 (5100 series)

Part # for front springs (only one i could see) is MF 0815 and S6341 beneath that. Are they stock?

So, With my 265/70/R17's my truck sits at:
FRONT: 36.25" From ground to fender and 21.5" from hub to fender
REAR: 34.25" From ground to fender and 19.5" from hub to fender

I want to keep my current 32" tires, but it would be nice to have a decent leveled ~2" lift over what it is now. My budget is pretty limited, so what route should I go? If I did spacers, and planned on getting new springs next year would that be dumb? What are my options for springs with these shocks that won't drain the bank?
__________________
1997 4x4 SR5 3" Lift @254,000 miles
I welded my own bumper!
wtfemery is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-01-2019, 08:09 PM #2
Thebeastlives Thebeastlives is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Tucson
Posts: 415
Thebeastlives has a spectacular aura about Thebeastlives has a spectacular aura about
Thebeastlives Thebeastlives is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Tucson
Posts: 415
Thebeastlives has a spectacular aura about Thebeastlives has a spectacular aura about
I run 5100 on all my vehicles except the 3rd gen 4 runner. My lifted tundra, the 4th gen 4runner and my wife 19 Ted offroad has them. They are a fabulous shock and if u want to level or lift it u can with this shock. I run spacers on 3rd, 4th, and 5th gen 4 runner with this shock so u need to check because u probably already have spacers. New springs will correct the sag and heavy duty ones will help u load it up alot. If u tow use airbags. Those 5100 are ride height adjustable so they will work with whatever you decide
Thebeastlives is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-03-2019, 06:28 PM #3
wtfemery's Avatar
wtfemery wtfemery is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: South Carolina
Age: 23
Posts: 164
wtfemery will become famous soon enough
wtfemery wtfemery is offline
Member
wtfemery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: South Carolina
Age: 23
Posts: 164
wtfemery will become famous soon enough
I think i'm going to go with OME 906 or 890 springs in the rear. I think the rear springs are still stock and the front ones are probably stock, but on a higher perch of the adjustable bilsteins.

I'd like to get 3" more in the rear (so, probably just a 2" lift spring because it's sagging) and 1" more in the front, so that I have a level 22.5" hub to fender all around.

How bad really is the ride on the highest perch of the bilsteins with stock springs? If I don't need to buy a set of $150+ front springs, I'd like not to... for now... I'm only 19 so It's not like i have a bad back that I need to worry about yet lol

Also, 90% of the time I'm driving alone with almost nothing in the back, so I'm leaning towards the 890s over the 906s because they're supposedly lighter duty.
__________________
1997 4x4 SR5 3" Lift @254,000 miles
I welded my own bumper!
wtfemery is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-04-2019, 10:55 AM #4
Bad Luck Bad Luck is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Hot Springs, AR
Posts: 4,410
Real Name: Patrick
Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute
Bad Luck Bad Luck is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: Hot Springs, AR
Posts: 4,410
Real Name: Patrick
Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute Bad Luck has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by wtfemery View Post
I think i'm going to go with OME 906 or 890 springs in the rear. I think the rear springs are still stock and the front ones are probably stock, but on a higher perch of the adjustable bilsteins.

I'd like to get 3" more in the rear (so, probably just a 2" lift spring because it's sagging) and 1" more in the front, so that I have a level 22.5" hub to fender all around.

How bad really is the ride on the highest perch of the bilsteins with stock springs? If I don't need to buy a set of $150+ front springs, I'd like not to... for now... I'm only 19 so It's not like i have a bad back that I need to worry about yet lol

Also, 90% of the time I'm driving alone with almost nothing in the back, so I'm leaning towards the 890s over the 906s because they're supposedly lighter duty.
I'd go with 890's over 906 if you don't have much weight in the back most of the time
__________________
2000 SR5 V6 Manual 4WD https://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-g...biography.html
2000 Limited V6 Auto E-Locker Sold 3/2022
Bad Luck is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-04-2019, 03:09 PM #5
phattyduck phattyduck is online now
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Pasadena, CA
Posts: 5,380
phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute
phattyduck phattyduck is online now
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Pasadena, CA
Posts: 5,380
phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by wtfemery View Post
Part # for front springs (only one i could see) is MF 0815 and S6341 beneath that. Are they stock?
There are no part numbers on OEM springs. They will be black with two coils having paint marks of various colors.

The conservative (read: cheap) rout is to put 890's or 906's on the rear (only) and see if you like the look/stance from there...

-Charlie
__________________
'99 4Runner SR5 Auto - 4WD swapped
'89 Camry Alltrac LE 3S-GTE 5spd
'17 Chevy Volt Premier
'16 Honda Odyssey Elite
Previous: '88 Camry Alltrac LE 3S-GE BEAMS, 90 Camry 3S-GTE, 90 Camry DX, '03 WRX wagon, '08 Outback XT
phattyduck is online now   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-05-2019, 04:00 AM #6
wtfemery's Avatar
wtfemery wtfemery is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: South Carolina
Age: 23
Posts: 164
wtfemery will become famous soon enough
wtfemery wtfemery is offline
Member
wtfemery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: South Carolina
Age: 23
Posts: 164
wtfemery will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by phattyduck View Post
There are no part numbers on OEM springs. They will be black with two coils having paint marks of various colors.

The conservative (read: cheap) rout is to put 890's or 906's on the rear (only) and see if you like the look/stance from there...

-Charlie
slightly used eibach 577lb coils for the front are on the way from another T4R member. Also, i found a used set of OME 890s somewhere else that should be on the way tomorrow. I figured, lightly used springs all around wasn't much more expensive than brand new rears only anyways. I expect the eibachs on the first perch of the 4runner specific 5100s should give me ~2.5" in front. (From the very few threads about the eibachs I've found, it seems most people get 3" on the first perch with the stiffer/(longer?) 620lb+ eibach coils)

hopefully should end up level without much ride quality sacrifice considering the front stock springs are probably on the second/third perch currently, and the rears are old and saggy

total of $230 for both (shipped across the country, lol. still the best deals i could find)

just hoping my 265/70/r17's won't look too goofy with a 3" lift, ah well
__________________
1997 4x4 SR5 3" Lift @254,000 miles
I welded my own bumper!

Last edited by wtfemery; 11-05-2019 at 04:07 AM.
wtfemery is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-10-2019, 10:29 PM #7
wtfemery's Avatar
wtfemery wtfemery is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: South Carolina
Age: 23
Posts: 164
wtfemery will become famous soon enough
wtfemery wtfemery is offline
Member
wtfemery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: South Carolina
Age: 23
Posts: 164
wtfemery will become famous soon enough
New rear springs put on yesterday. front ones coming soon, hopefully adding 1" in front because I've got 1" of rake as it sits with some tools in the back. Here's some pics!

BEFORE:



AFTER OME 890 in rear:


(I had to go test 'em out, of course! lol)

Side note: I live in an apartment complex with lots of speed bumps, and the old rear springs would bounce 3 or 4 times after hitting the bump, The 890s only bounce once and still feel relatively the same in terms of softness. which is great!
__________________
1997 4x4 SR5 3" Lift @254,000 miles
I welded my own bumper!

Last edited by wtfemery; 11-10-2019 at 10:35 PM.
wtfemery is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-11-2019, 04:17 PM #8
phattyduck phattyduck is online now
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Pasadena, CA
Posts: 5,380
phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute
phattyduck phattyduck is online now
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Pasadena, CA
Posts: 5,380
phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute
Quote:
Originally Posted by wtfemery View Post
Side note: I live in an apartment complex with lots of speed bumps, and the old rear springs would bounce 3 or 4 times after hitting the bump, The 890s only bounce once and still feel relatively the same in terms of softness. which is great!
I like the 1" of rake look. See if it grows on you...

The 890 are a fair jump in spring rate from the stock springs. The 5100's have very little dampening at very low speeds, so oscillate a bit with very soft springs. With slightly stiffer springs, they control the ride really well. I have the opposite going on with my 4Runner than you did - I have 2WD front springs (softer than 4WD springs) and it floats just a bit with the 5100's - and the rear is nice and controlled with stiffer springs back there.

Most of the 'stiffness' you feel in regular driving is up the shocks, not springs in many cases. Now you just have well-matched spring/shocks.

-Charlie
__________________
'99 4Runner SR5 Auto - 4WD swapped
'89 Camry Alltrac LE 3S-GTE 5spd
'17 Chevy Volt Premier
'16 Honda Odyssey Elite
Previous: '88 Camry Alltrac LE 3S-GE BEAMS, 90 Camry 3S-GTE, 90 Camry DX, '03 WRX wagon, '08 Outback XT
phattyduck is online now   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 11-11-2019, 04:23 PM #9
wtfemery's Avatar
wtfemery wtfemery is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: South Carolina
Age: 23
Posts: 164
wtfemery will become famous soon enough
wtfemery wtfemery is offline
Member
wtfemery's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: South Carolina
Age: 23
Posts: 164
wtfemery will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by phattyduck View Post
I like the 1" of rake look. See if it grows on you...

The 890 are a fair jump in spring rate from the stock springs. The 5100's have very little dampening at very low speeds, so oscillate a bit with very soft springs. With slightly stiffer springs, they control the ride really well. I have the opposite going on with my 4Runner than you did - I have 2WD front springs (softer than 4WD springs) and it floats just a bit with the 5100's - and the rear is nice and controlled with stiffer springs back there.

Most of the 'stiffness' you feel in regular driving is up the shocks, not springs in many cases. Now you just have well-matched spring/shocks.

-Charlie
I've already got the used eibachs sitting on my counter, i'll probably just throw them in on a lower perch and keep the stance, maybe get another 0.5" in front, who knows. But I may wait a while until I get a diff drop or something because I really don't want to have to deal with blowing CV axles with 3" of lift
__________________
1997 4x4 SR5 3" Lift @254,000 miles
I welded my own bumper!
wtfemery is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Tags
fender , front , rear , springs , truck

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Which Springs with 5100s? Colorado S14 5th gen T4Rs 14 07-01-2019 01:30 AM
Can't decide. Bilstein 5100s w/ Eibach Pro lift springs or 6112s TimeZone 3rd gen T4Rs 1 08-07-2018 06:18 AM
2 inch springs? .. with my 5100s.. OME? silversx 5th gen T4Rs 9 07-11-2011 03:51 AM
FJ springs and 5100s done..... but lewjonesrd25 4th Gen T4Rs 10 05-25-2011 08:55 PM
04 with FJ Springs and 5100s asnatlas Engines / Suspension / Wheels / Tires / Audio / Accessories 18 04-11-2011 04:41 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:24 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020