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Old 11-25-2019, 01:07 AM #16
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copper winter tires.


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A set of copper dedicated snows with studs.....


Can you provide more information on these copper tires?

How do they hold up?

Do they turn green after it rains?

How soft are they?

How big are the lugs?

Do they help ground the vehicle?

Are they solid, or do they have a tube in them?

How do they mount on the rims?


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It used to be until I damaged a disc in my back. Then the seat heaters became important too...

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Can you provide more information on these copper tires?

How do they hold up?

Do they turn green after it rains?

How soft are they?

How big are the lugs?

Do they help ground the vehicle?

Are they solid, or do they have a tube in them?

How do they mount on the rims?


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Well I run standard size tires and rims and the studs will make your tires last longer but can be more dangerous when it rains because you are littery riding on the stud tips. They are best suited for freezing rain and thin ice on the roads. So you have to drive differently slightly when studs are in use. They also take longer for a vehicle to stop too.


These are just snow tires that have the ability to have studs put in them when new as you cant put studs in used tires.

The treadlife of these tires probably depends on where you live. Around the roads here being in PA with the potholes and they would last probably 20 to 40k miles max.

Just running them in winter naturally let's you get several seasons out of them depending on how much you drive.


Mine are getting fairly warn and was debating on getting another 4 for this season. I will take a photo of them for you so you can see what I use. Just keep in mind I probably only have 4/32 left on the center of the tire. So they are warn down and actually been on the rig year round for a year or 2.

They are a tubeless tire. Nothing super fancy but they work very good on snow and ice.


Another winter tire would be a blizzak tires I just dont know if they make them in our tire size.

They have a softer rubber on them that grips the snow and ice but they be good for only one winter as that material wears off faster.

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Can you provide more information on these copper tires?

How do they hold up?

Do they turn green after it rains?

How soft are they?

How big are the lugs?

Do they help ground the vehicle?

Are they solid, or do they have a tube in them?

How do they mount on the rims?
Typo. You know they mean 'Cooper' tires.
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I run hella 700s with an upgraded wiring harness to handle 130 watt bulbs and they are extremely bright, I don’t think I would ever spend $1000 on a set of lights.

I’d also add a locker or limited slip to that list, I have a lunchbox locker that is awesome in the snow and allows me to climb icy hills in 2wd that a lot of vehicles can’t get up even with awd, though tires help too
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I don't know the older I get the more I like the seat heaters. they are standard equipment for me now.

my rover came with a heated steering wheel and when I first got it I was like pffff heated steering wheel stupid. then I was like... OMG heated steering wheel I love you.
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The funny thing is I looked up the ARB front bumper for 3rd gen's and none were listed. I'm sure one is made because I see others with them. I'm not going to be getting one because I don't need one but it would be nice to find the right one in case I do build a 4wd T4R.

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Can you provide more information on these copper tires?

How do they hold up?

Do they turn green after it rains?

How soft are they?

How big are the lugs?

Do they help ground the vehicle?

Are they solid, or do they have a tube in them?

How do they mount on the rims?


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Here is a photo of the tread pattern master craft coursers msr with snow groove. Master craft is a divion of cooper tires.


A I am sure there are a pile of tread patterns that work great in snow. The problem we have in this area is the roads are all grooved and uneven. So if you run a real aggressive tread pattern your rig is trying to track the road and you are all over the place. So these work well for the conditions I am in.:]

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Can you provide more information on these copper tires?

How do they hold up?

Do they turn green after it rains?

How soft are they?

How big are the lugs?

Do they help ground the vehicle?

Are they solid, or do they have a tube in them?

How do they mount on the rims?


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Sailer, (former GSE1(SW) myself) this has been my dedicated studded snow tires mounted on separate rims. At the first sign I am going to need them I pull the truck in the garage and put them on. I feel like doing something similar with the 4Runner. I bought my snows for my truck in 2001. I’m still using them. My truck wasn’t my DD so they didn’t get a lot of milage on them.

They are very soft. Braking hard in my truck would produce tire marks on the road looking in my mirror. These were great in rain and most excellent in freezing rain.

I need to come up with a spare set of wheels if I decided to do this with my Toy.


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Sailer, (former GSE1(SW) myself) this has been my dedicated studded snow tires mounted on separate rims. At the first sign I am going to need them I pull the truck in the garage and put them on. I feel like doing something similar with the 4Runner. I bought my snows for my truck in 2001. I’m still using them. My truck wasn’t my DD so they didn’t get a lot of milage on them.

They are very soft. Braking hard in my truck would produce tire marks on the road looking in my mirror. These were great in rain and most excellent in freezing rain.

I need to come up with a spare set of wheels if I decided to do this with my Toy.


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You run studs on your truck? I can see the pattern is extremely similar to mine. I like that they are not aggressive enough to grab the road. Yet still an excellent snow tire

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You run studs on your truck? I can see the pattern is extremely similar to mine. I like that they are not aggressive enough to grab the road. Yet still an excellent snow tire

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Yes, all 4 tires are studded. My drive to work is an adventure if we get a north easter. Freezing rain they are a god send. No other way to say it. Stay home otherwise. Two or three times a year we get freezing rain and I’m driving on pure ice in the early morning on my way home from work.


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The article was a "meh" at best.

His explanation of 4wd vs AWD is less than stellar. My 2001 LX, which is technically AWD, is more capable in winter weather than a stock 98 limited in 4WD...

$1k for lights is ridiculous and his statements are borderline hilarious. I've had light bars that are under $100 and massively cut through winter weather (almost as if to turn the sun on at night) - he missed the biggest downfall of LED lighting which is their lack of heat, allowing snow/ice to form on the light housing, something standard bulbs don't have a problem with.

ARB bumpers, and those not designed to absorb an impact, will most likely cause more damage to a vehicle if you hit a tree off road. Have seen many posts of landcruisers with ARBs having the frame take the hit instead of a bumper absorbing some of the impact ultimately saving the frame. Point being - don't install an ARB to be "armor" as a 'just in case'.
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Yes, all 4 tires are studded. My drive to work is an adventure if we get a north easter. Freezing rain they are a god send. No other way to say it. Stay home otherwise. Two or three times a year we get freezing rain and I’m driving on pure ice in the early morning on my way home from work.


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Sweet. I never drove with studs on a 4 runner... However, I can see your point when conditions are just right.
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The ABS always scares the hell out of me in winter on anything except fresh snow.
It takes a while getting used to the ABS. You should have seen the first time I drove my 09 tocuma on fresh snow. I tried to drive it like the 98 Tocumas in 2wd or the older toyota pickup trucks drove in the snow. I had all the VSC lights on TRAC lights on and was sideways on the road in less then a min. Then I figured out what all this changed and was able to drive it with no issues.
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