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If I was going to a shop and they suggested that tire size was at all a factor in alignment I'd walk right out the door, especially with stock geometry and a damn near stock tire size. Tire size has zero, absolutely nothing to do with alignment spec. You could quite literally bolt a 44" tire on and the spec would still be exactly the same. It looks like your alignment is fairly close to what it should be, and I'm not seeing anything I'd expect to cause any excessive pulling. Make sure your tire pressure isn't off at all.
That being said, it does look like your rear cams are indeed maxed out, which is odd with a stock suspension. Your best case may be to back off the other side to match. The half degree of camber should have little effect on tire wear.
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12-12-2019, 09:33 AM
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caster out; cam's maxed
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If I was going to a shop and they suggested that tire size was at all a factor in alignment I'd walk right out the door, especially with stock geometry and a damn near stock tire size. Tire size has zero, absolutely nothing to do with alignment spec. You could quite literally bolt a 44" tire on and the spec would still be exactly the same. It looks like your alignment is fairly close to what it should be, and I'm not seeing anything I'd expect to cause any excessive pulling. Make sure your tire pressure isn't off at all.
That being said, it does look like your rear cams are indeed maxed out, which is odd with a stock suspension. Your best case may be to back off the other side to match. The half degree of camber should have little effect on tire wear.
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If they’d have blamed tires while my truck was still in the parking lot, I would have walked right out! Instead I politely called BS so we could get back to discussing what the real cause might be.
If I don’t find any obvious damage in there, plan to dial in the passenger side to match as you suggest.
Probably taking the $$ they didn’t charge to install TRE’s to another shop who can get us tracking straight or maybe, if I’m lucky, even diagnose the true cause... is that one of those careful what you wish for moments?
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12-12-2019, 09:41 AM
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I’ve read that a variation in caster from side to side can cause pull... not sure what magnitude would cause this but either way it’d pull the other way... toward the higher caster side or in this case to the right
EDIT... that should be caster variation will pull toward the "more-negative" side... still to the right in this case
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You're correct. I should have worded my response better. To clarify, if camber is off .5 degrees and caster is off .5 degrees then the camber pull will be stronger than the caster pull. In my experience camber pulls twice as hard in a direction as caster.
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12-12-2019, 11:43 AM
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are you lifted at all? its hard to tell. if so, do you have aftermarket UCAs? i was under the assumption that a good aftermarket UCA helps put the caster where you want it (assuming everything else is in spec).
i just got my 3rd gen realigned yesterday because the local shop that originally did it did a great job, but the steering wheel was about an 1/8" off. they did make a comment about the caster when i picked it up the first time, but i have total chaos UCAs and they have always put the caster at 2.0 degrees. i know total chaos knows what they are doing so i relayed this info to them. i also have 33s a 3" lift, PCK, poly rack and lca bushings, new TRES and LBJs. no issues getting everything straight.
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12-12-2019, 10:39 PM
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are you lifted at all? its hard to tell. if so, do you have aftermarket UCAs? i was under the assumption that a good aftermarket UCA helps put the caster where you want it (assuming everything else is in spec).
i just got my 3rd gen realigned yesterday because the local shop that originally did it did a great job, but the steering wheel was about an 1/8" off. they did make a comment about the caster when i picked it up the first time, but i have total chaos UCAs and they have always put the caster at 2.0 degrees. i know total chaos knows what they are doing so i relayed this info to them. i also have 33s a 3" lift, PCK, poly rack and lca bushings, new TRES and LBJs. no issues getting everything straight.
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No lift, just some fresh components... riding about what I imagine is the 99 “highlander” stance. Have an apt Monday at another shop to see if they can do any better... look for any bent parts or maybe just match passenger side to eliminate pull for now.
Kinda funny, seems like when lifted we end up chasing for more caster to help clear bigger tires... and aftermarket UCA’s to replace lost caster. I’ve got the opposite problem at the moment
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12-13-2019, 12:09 PM
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riding about what I imagine is the 99 “highlander” stance.
Kinda funny, seems like when lifted we end up chasing for more caster to help clear bigger tires... and aftermarket UCA’s to replace lost caster. I’ve got the opposite problem at the moment
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i have no idea what a highlander stance is.
any plans to get UCAs? i can tell you they certainly help with driveability when you lift your vehicle. assuming thats what a 'highlander stance' is.
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12-13-2019, 12:30 PM
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i have no idea what a highlander stance is.
any plans to get UCAs? i can tell you they certainly help with driveability when you lift your vehicle. assuming thats what a 'highlander stance' is.
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I don't see the need for UCA's until we get into a lift... its planned/hoped-for but I'm focusing my attention on the deferred maintenance I inherited. Would they help to provide a reduced caster adjustment? I think Charlie probably has the best theory that something is out-of wack, bent or something as we've got the cams maxed-out just to maintain stock specs with stock suspension.
On the Highlander... The '99's had the tallest factory setup and they offered the fabled "highlander" edition... so its not technically lifted but does sit about 3/4" higher than it did on the original gear which was likely sagging a bit.
I took measurements with the hopes of being a good contributing forum member but can't seem to find them.
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12-13-2019, 12:38 PM
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oh thank you. i see. in your picks it looks like you are lifted more than that. at 3/4" you should be fine with stock UCAs.
i agree, probably something bent or just messed up. has the car ever been in an accident?
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has the car ever been in an accident?
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Supposedly not, bought from my sister in-law so almost as good as a single owner vehicle... just wasn't me deciding maintenance etc.
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Some closure...
@ UnderFire
had the right advice. Ditch that shop!
Took it elsewhere and the drivers castor was at -0.2 not the +2.9 the original shop and their alignment machine showed.
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It could be possible that alignment rack at the other shop was off. Taking it to another shop who possibly had a more better rack solved the problem.
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It could be possible that alignment rack at the other shop was off. Taking it to another shop who possibly had a more better rack solved the problem.
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I think this is precisely what went down
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