08-28-2020, 12:45 AM
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I've got a '98 4Runner and I often carry people up into logging roads.
Can someone tell me what the difference in loading is between the rear OME coil springs: 2890, 2891, 2906? I'd like something that won't sag or bottom out with weight, but not too stiff when empty.
Also, what would you guys suggest for the front coil springs? 2880 or 2881?
Finally, for shocks and struts, it seems like most people choose Bilsteins. However, wondering why it wouldn't it make sense to go with the OME ones for better compatibility with the springs?
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08-28-2020, 05:59 AM
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ACDelco 45H2131 Professional Rear Coil Spring Set
Amazon.com: ACDelco 45H2131 Professional Rear Coil Spring Set: Automotive
This has been the best rear spring setup I have had with stock weight. I have had OEM setups that were never controlled well by the 5100's without significant weight in the back. It has the lift of the 99 tall and a variable rate coil (progressive?). This, paired with the Bilstein 5100's digressive valving, has been a great feel. I did have to add a 1" spacer when I upgraded to 2" Toytec lift but the feel is still great.
-Premium, high-quality aftermarket component
-Manufactured to meet and exceed your expectations for fit, form, and function
-Variable Rate coil springs provide 500 lbs. (per pair) of load capacity (Not to exceed GVWR). Product does not increase payload.
Load Rate Rear 780
Wire Diameter 0.630"
Load Rate Rear 354
Rear Spring Inside Diameter 4.7"
Spring Rate Rear Variable
Rear Spring Relaxed Length 16.2"
Spring Material Steel
Rear Spring Seat Included No
Spring Color Black
Alternate/OEM Part Number(s): 19241781
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08-28-2020, 01:03 PM
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For the OME coil springs, I think I figured it out:
Rear:
2906 - medium load
2890 - heavy load 330lbs to gvw
2891 - heavy constant load 660lbs to gvw
Front:
2880 - stock 0- 110lbs
2881 - heavy 110lbs - 240lbs
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08-28-2020, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by raztec
I think I figured it out:
Rear:
2906 - medium load
2890 - heavy load 330lbs to gvw
2891 - heavy constant load 660lbs to gvw
Front:
2880 - stock 0- 110lbs
2881 - heavy 110lbs - 240lbs
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How much lift will the 906 give? I only want around 1" max.
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08-28-2020, 01:17 PM
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08-28-2020, 01:19 PM
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Quote:
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How much lift will the 906 give? I only want around 1" max.
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They all provide the same amount of lift:
1.25" in the front
2.0" in the rear
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08-28-2020, 03:17 PM
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They all provide the same amount of lift:
1.25" in the front
2.0" in the rear
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906, 890, and 891 give different amounts of lift. Don't know where you got that idea from but it's inaccurate.
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08-28-2020, 03:45 PM
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906, 890, and 891 give different amounts of lift. Don't know where you got that idea from but it's inaccurate.
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I get that right here from ARB themselves.
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08-28-2020, 05:13 PM
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I get that right here from ARB themselves.
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Most people get 2" from 906 and 3-3.5" from 890/891 depending on how much weight they have. It also depends on what year 4Runner and how much the current springs have sagged. 99's will gain less height than a 2002 would.
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Can I run the factory shock with a 906?
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08-28-2020, 08:50 PM
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OME will also tell you the 891s can comfortably handle over 200lbs of extra gear, but anybody using them with an plate bumper will gladly say otherwise.
Also this is probably the first time I've seen anybody say the 881s are for additional weight. Everybody that offers them will advise they're for stock weight. That'd be the 883s instead, which they didn't even bother listing, to boot. Not to mention 890s are taller than 891s, both of which offer more than 2in.
The problem with that chart is it's trying to include ALL the 3rd gens, and they weren't all made equal. For example, Highlanders were 1in taller than every other 3rd gen offered.
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08-29-2020, 02:12 AM
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OME will also tell you the 891s can comfortably handle over 200lbs of extra gear, but anybody using them with an plate bumper will gladly say otherwise.
Also this is probably the first time I've seen anybody say the 881s are for additional weight. Everybody that offers them will advise they're for stock weight. That'd be the 883s instead, which they didn't even bother listing, to boot. Not to mention 890s are taller than 891s, both of which offer more than 2in.
The problem with that chart is it's trying to include ALL the 3rd gens, and they weren't all made equal. For example, Highlanders were 1in taller than every other 3rd gen offered.
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So the heavy constant load 891's can't really handle all that weight? What's the option then?
I was thinking of getting the 890's because I don't carry a constant load, but do often carry passengers with their paragliding gear up logging roads. What would you suggest in this situation?
Also, for the front, would the 881's ride ok without a heavy bumper and winch?
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08-29-2020, 03:22 PM
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881/906 netted me a well-behaved 2.0" and 2.5" without armored ends. That said, I did a completely full seats=down wildfire evac in it and there was no noticeable rear sag. This is a very common 3rd Gen 'Medium' combo with 5100s on lowest perch.
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So I've had my 210v's on my truck for four months now, so I think I can safely give a fair review. This included three months of daily driving and quick trip to Moab, where I hit Top of The World, Elephant Hill, Fins and Things and White Rim.
If I had the stock bumper/stock weight these would be a serious no-go. They give almost as much lift as the OME 861. I'd wager 5-5.5in at stock weights. With my coastal off road plate bumper i'm sitting right at 4.5in. And fully loaded with my full size spare, recovery gear, spares, camping equipment and 50qt cooler with ice I'm right at 4in. When I add my 4xinnovations swingout I'll be at 3.5in [verified by adding another 200lbs to the truck]. They have not settled more than .25in in 10,000mi
My rear setup for the last 4 months:
-Dobinsons 210v [no spacers or stock bump-stops]
-Tokico LC Shocks [top mounting plate bored out for LC hardware]
-Durobump 5.25in extended bumps
-Eimkeith panhard correction kit
-Extended Brake lines
-Sonoran Steel Sway bar relocation/lift [to clear the e-locker motor]
-Stock sway bar links
-Whiteline control arm/panhard bushings.
-255/85r16 Maxxis
This setup did amazingly well on all of the trails. No issues fully flexing out to the bump stops. The driveshaft only makes the slightest contact on the gas tank skid...only noticed the witness marks when inspecting the truck, never heard it hit.
The ride, for a lifted 24year old truck is surprisingly compliant. And once you have it loaded for the weekend the rear of the truck is genuinely comfortable. I was most impressed with how well the coils held weight under 'moderate speed' runs...40mph off road. The coils held the weight while providing enough up travel that I never had the rear bottom out. However the front bottomed out 3-4 times, I hate that feeling.
The 210v's are here to stay on my truck. However, I don't think these are going to be the 'golden ticket' for low height, high flex coils. For me, these fall under the same category as the OME 861. If you are running a plate bumper with swingout, and load the truck up with people these will be great. However, I'd look somewhere else for a stock weight truck.
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10-05-2020, 11:46 PM
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890’s took me from 20.5 to 23.5” fender to hub center.
They ride amazingly smooth with no weight.
3 teens in the back and some fishing gear and it sets it down about an inch or so to level and the ride is squishy.
I just put in air bags, so after elk season I’ll have a decent idea how that works for camping gear. So far with 3 psi in the bags and no weight the ride is smooth with just a touch more firmness than without the bags.
Planning to add a bumper with swing out to carry fuel, so expect to need to change springs.
Just doesn’t seem to be a good 3” lift spring that can carry some weight.
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