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rknToy...correct, it is a base model...no ABS...but my odometer IS digital, does this not mean that the entire speedo is digital (electric)? Are we talkin' apples-to-apples here? This is the simple, straightforward fix I'm hoping for if you are right...BTW, the truck does have cruise control if that might also be a factor.

I called a Toyo dealer / shop I've had good vibes with in the past, explained the whole deal to him. He said if I could come up with a VIN from a nearly identical truck (2WD-4cyl-Auto) that came originally with the 16" stock wheels he likely could help...long shot I know but I might see if anyone on here has a truck with that original setup...Thanks for your input...
Oops - screwed up. Was thinking about an older 4runner.

Should be able to get a speedometer gear that has the right number of teeth.
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My 2wd V6 with 31ís would throw a code for some speedo sensor or something(canít remember) thatís behind the trans. I had 225 50 15. After the regear(4.56) no more code!! Speedo is more in the normal range now too.
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I'm not 100% sure because your truck is an auto. But I do know my 97 2.7 2WD manual came with a 3.73 rear end, if that's the case for you as well one of the the cheapest and certainly the best way to fix the speedometer difference would be to drop in a good 4.10 differential.

They can be found incredibly easily here for 100$ and can be swapped out in under an hour if you know what you're doing with only regular hand tools and a tube of RTV.

Besides fixing the speedo readout, this has the added benefit of fixing the gearing being thrown off by the larger tires and putting your powerband and shift points right back where they're designed to be.

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Base model - you don't have ABS and you have a manual speedometer cable. They make mechanical speedometer calibration boxes.
I've had a few base model 4Runners, they use the same electronic speed sensor as all other 4Runners in the tailshaft or the tranny or in the transfer case. All 4Runner clusters are electronic speedometers.

My single cab 97 Tacoma on the other hand did have a cable driven speedo and a cluster with no tach, I haven't checked if my nearly identical new 96 Tacoma with the tach is electronic or cable driven though.

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Checked my build sheet on the Toyota Owners Spec. site...my truck is non-ABS. As per your earlier reply, do you think it possible that there might simply be a correct speed sensor for the 2WD auto trans. / 16" tire combination?
I think it is pretty unlikely that there were 16" wheel trucks built without ABS - almost all had ABS. Just to verify, check your engine bay - this is where the ABS actuator is:



You can still use the Dakota Digital interface, even without ABS, you just have to wire it in a different location. Or you can leave the speedo signal alone and put in 4:10 diff to fix it (no need for a calibrator).

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Finally over the "15" hump!...

'99 Gen3 Base model 2WD 4cyl. Auto...

After purchasing this truck my first priority was new tires. Just a city / highway truck, no offroading. What I immediately encountered was similar to my experience with a recently restored '92 Celica Convertible...very limited choice in the original tire size of 225/75/15. Also, the 15" rims on the truck were rather shabby looking, missing two caps. I liked the look of the stock 16" rims and was fortunate to find a set at a local boneyard which I acquired and am in the process of repainting. Got a great deal on some stock size 265/70/16's from Tire Rack. Now I must deal with correcting the speedo...the larger tires as most of you will know throw it off by about 8mph on the plus side.

Yes, I have already researched this, here and elsewhere but many of the references I came across were rather old. So I'm looking for fresh input and first hand experiences...what I hope for is the most practical, most accurate, easiest to install. I have seen and read about the SpeedoHealer and Yellow Box. But if this vehicle had an option of 16" tires wouldn't there be a way to re-gear it? I would really prefer to get this accomplished without yanking the dash / kickpanels apart if possible. Really need to get going on this ASAP due to it being January...I live in Ohio...and the tires on the truck are in no way Winter worthy. Supposed to be 68 degrees tomorrow...but that sure ain't gonna last long. Very much appreciate any and all help and info for this issue...
I have a 99 base model non abs, and I jumped from stock 225's to 35's plus regeared. My speedo and odo were way off.
Official home page of the Yellow Box Speedo Recalibrator This is what I used and am very glad I did . Super easy install and easy to adjust to get speedo / odo exact. I ordered the plug and play version, and it was exactly that. I've been using it for 3 years, no issues.

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Just get a scan gauge. You can plug in your speedo correction % and it will display the correct speed. It also lets you monitor coolant temp, trans temp (99+), voltage, etc.
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Getting closer...maybe...

To all of you who have responded, my great thanks...
I believe I am closer to the simplest, least expensive, least hassle solution...not sure though. A recap here, with new info...

First, my vehicle: '99 Base model, 4cyl. Auto - NON-ABS - electronic speedo.
Original tires 225/75/15 - NOW riding on 265/70/16 (optional stock size).
Speedometer reading now LESS than actual speed...about 5mph @ 60mph.

Second...regarding some of the solutions offered, all of which I appreciate for your experience and time. My use for this truck is a simple daily driver...period.
I do not have nor want a GPS, do not intend to buy any additional gauge which I assume from photos has to be attached somewhere to the dash, and I have no intention of swapping diff. gears. Just want an accurate speedo...

I spent some time at a Yota dealer's shop with whom I have a good relationship. Fortunately for me, a slow day so I did get some useful info. The speedo sensor for my truck is fairly common across many T4R variants...primary part # is 83181-12020. On my truck, located on driver's side of the tranny, very easy access. The "driven gear" as they identify it is quite easy to replace, a simple retainer clip...and they usually come with a new oil seal as well. My guy at the shop had a few conversations with a tech who wasn't too busy...and after about twenty minutes, he came across a notation on one of these gears which specified "for 16" tires". Part # 33403-39415. Ah, success!...I thought...but came home to do some last verification before purchasing something I can't return. Now, not so sure, somewhat confused...

I came across a webpage called "Adventure Taco"...obviously an avid off-roader but also a serious numbers nerd...wow. What a load of info. But he did have a LOT of relevant stuff on there, including some other driven gear specs, and now this is what confuses me. All these driven gears identify as 33403-( ), with the second set of numbers designating tooth count. The 39415 variant is 33 tooth, the largest they make. But if my speedo is reading SLOWER than my actual speed...wouldn't a larger, more teeth gear make it WORSE? There are two other variations specified for auto trans., one 32 teeth and one 30. I do not know what is currently in my truck. Only way to know would be take it out and count 'em. Not going to buy anything until I get this sorted out. Still hoping this might be my easy fix...if not I'll have to go the SpeedoHealer route I guess. Hoping some of you who have commented are following this thread...anybody?
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First, my vehicle: '99 Base model, 4cyl. Auto - NON-ABS - electronic speedo.
Original tires 225/75/15 - NOW riding on 265/70/16 (optional stock size).
Speedometer reading now LESS than actual speed...about 5mph @ 60mph.
I'm not sure why you thought it would be the other way around. A larger than stock tire goes further per rotation compared to a stock tire.

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I came across a webpage called "Adventure Taco"...obviously an avid off-roader but also a serious numbers nerd...wow. What a load of info. But he did have a LOT of relevant stuff on there, including some other driven gear specs, and now this is what confuses me. All these driven gears identify as 33403-( ), with the second set of numbers designating tooth count. The 39415 variant is 33 tooth, the largest they make. But if my speedo is reading SLOWER than my actual speed...wouldn't a larger, more teeth gear make it WORSE? There are two other variations specified for auto trans., one 32 teeth and one 30. I do not know what is currently in my truck. Only way to know would be take it out and count 'em. Not going to buy anything until I get this sorted out. Still hoping this might be my easy fix...if not I'll have to go the SpeedoHealer route I guess. Hoping some of you who have commented are following this thread...anybody?
If you are wanting to correct it with a speedo gear change you will need to know what your current tooth count is. You will want a smaller new gear (less teeth) than the current gear so that it will spin faster. The person on Adventure Taco probably regeared in addition to larger tires and needed to correct for a speedometer faster than gps speed.
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Yep...you are correct. It's all been a bit confusing but after much research and lots of feedback I now have a better understanding. I still may end up going the Dakota Digital route but I'll at least take this path to conclusion. Seems the only way to know is to remove the speedo sensor and count gear teeth. Just curious...since I know absolutely zero about the internal workings of automatic transmissions...do you have any knowledge about how the drive / driven gear for the speedo sensor engage? Concerned that a smaller, fewer tooth driven gear on the sensor might not properly connect with the drive gear. Was wondering if perhaps they only engage when tranny is placed in "D". Appreciate your response...
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Finally over the "15" hump!...

'99 Gen3 Base model 2WD 4cyl. Auto...

After purchasing this truck my first priority was new tires. Just a city / highway truck, no offroading. What I immediately encountered was similar to my experience with a recently restored '92 Celica Convertible...very limited choice in the original tire size of 225/75/15. Also, the 15" rims on the truck were rather shabby looking, missing two caps. I liked the look of the stock 16" rims and was fortunate to find a set at a local boneyard which I acquired and am in the process of repainting. Got a great deal on some stock size 265/70/16's from Tire Rack. Now I must deal with correcting the speedo...the larger tires as most of you will know throw it off by about 8mph on the plus side.

Yes, I have already researched this, here and elsewhere but many of the references I came across were rather old. So I'm looking for fresh input and first hand experiences...what I hope for is the most practical, most accurate, easiest to install. I have seen and read about the SpeedoHealer and Yellow Box. But if this vehicle had an option of 16" tires wouldn't there be a way to re-gear it? I would really prefer to get this accomplished without yanking the dash / kickpanels apart if possible. Really need to get going on this ASAP due to it being January...I live in Ohio...and the tires on the truck are in no way Winter worthy. Supposed to be 68 degrees tomorrow...but that sure ain't gonna last long. Very much appreciate any and all help and info for this issue...
I would start by getting a GPS reading compared to the speedo and go from there.

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On my stock 00 Limited I replaced the stock 265/70/16s with 265/75/16s assuming my speedo was going to be off but not knowing by how much I just checked and my speedo was basically right on the money at 60-65 so evidently my stock speedo was reading faster than actual, My understanding it is quite common for a stock setup to read faster than actual mph on alot of older vehicles.
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To all of you who have responded, my great thanks...
I believe I am closer to the simplest, least expensive, least hassle solution...not sure though. A recap here, with new info...

First, my vehicle: '99 Base model, 4cyl. Auto - NON-ABS - electronic speedo.
Original tires 225/75/15 - NOW riding on 265/70/16 (optional stock size).
Speedometer reading now LESS than actual speed...about 5mph @ 60mph.

Second...regarding some of the solutions offered, all of which I appreciate for your experience and time. My use for this truck is a simple daily driver...period.
I do not have nor want a GPS, do not intend to buy any additional gauge which I assume from photos has to be attached somewhere to the dash, and I have no intention of swapping diff. gears. Just want an accurate speedo...
Swapping the diff is probably the cheapest option if you can do it yourself. You can probably find a free one on here! You'll need to know what your current diff ratio is to know if it truly is going to be cheap though - only the 4.10 gears are cheap (I know what your diff ratio would be if you had the V6 - not sure with the 4 cylinder).

Otherwise, just pop that sensor out and count the teeth and report back.

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