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Old 01-21-2020, 03:58 PM #16
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Isn't there a way to flag the fake tool in Ebay? I'm going to try that now.

Edit: Is Enixwh the fake one?
There's several Ebay stores selling the fake tool. Duane and I suspect it's all the same company operating under different Ebay store names. Any listing that doesn't say "The Original - Made in the USA" or doesn't come from Duane's Donald-the-Bonald store is a ripoff copy of his tool.
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There's a way to flag it, but you have to be able to prove that there's a copyright infringement or patient violation (link to eBay page). Without being able to prove that, there's nothing eBay can do. Technically speaking, there's nothing illegal about it. It's not like Craigslist where you can flag anything you want, and get it removed.

Also keep in mind that there's Enixwh, tiewards, hl_supershop, best-autoparts, and many others selling this item or one very similar.

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Duane does not have a patent on his design. He did call Ebay and reported them and they will probably have to alter their product description because they copied Duane's listing word for word, but they will just change it and re-list it and be back in business. Hopefully people are still fairly patriotic and will pick up on the fact that there's one made in the USA and another made somewhere else. They purposely don't advertise the country of origin because they are smart thieves. By Duane cutting his prices closer to theirs, he's hoping they will lose interest and move on to ripping somebody else off.
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Duane does not have a patent on his design. He did call Ebay and reported them and they will probably have to alter their product description because they copied Duane's listing word for word, but they will just change it and re-list it and be back in business. Hopefully people are still fairly patriotic and will pick up on the fact that there's one made in the USA and another made somewhere else. They purposely don't advertise the country of origin because they are smart thieves. By Duane cutting his prices closer to theirs, he's hoping they will lose interest and move on to ripping somebody else off.
Unfortunately it's just going to be a slap on the hand since there's nothing illegal about what they're doing. Shitty, but true.

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I have the original one you recommended in the video. I think it came from India (and it worked fine btw) Wish I'd have known about the US made one at that point!

original from India ?
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I think maybe he's talking about the Durasolid tool. The first tool we featured in the original video.
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I think maybe he's talking about the Durasolid tool. The first tool we featured in the original video.
Correct. I couldn't remember what it was called but that's the one I got. Looks like an American company but I can assure you that I paid duty when it actually originated from India!
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Correct. I couldn't remember what it was called but that's the one I got. Looks like an American company but I can assure you that I paid duty when it actually originated from India!
The way I became acquainted with Duane and the tool he makes for Toyota axles was because a problem developed with the Durasolid tool. Several people had contacted me letting me know that the tool wouldn't slide over the widest section of the axle (the section the retainer, tone ring, and bearing are pressed onto). These people tried to contact the company but they got no reply. So, I decided to give it a try getting in touch with them. Their website didn't advertise a phone number, mailing address or email address. They just had one of those internal messaging systems on their website where you would fill out a form and send it off hoping somebody reads it. Well, my first attempt failed and around 2 weeks later I tried again. This time I basically told them they would have to be complete idiots not to respond back. All I wanted them to do is acknowledge they knew about the manufacturing problem and they intend on fixing it. I told them if they don't give me assurances that the problem will be fixed, I cannot in good conscientious continue to recommend their product. Well, they never got back to me so I went searching for another option.

I can't remember who it was on this forum that suggested Duane's tool on this forum but it looked pretty good so I messaged him on Ebay and told him I wanted to talk to him about his tool. The conversation I had with Duane went well and he sent me out his tool to test out. What Sean (aka @infamousRNR ) and I found out is his tool was only going to work to pull the parts off the axle but wouldn't work to press everything back on. With the original Durasolid tool, Sean and i used a press sleeve from our kit to press the parts back onto the axle. I told Duane that without the ability to use his tool to press the parts back onto the axle, I couldn't support his tool. What good is it to be able to pull the parts off but then you can't get them back on using the tool. So, Sean and I came up with a suggestion for Duane to make an adapter that would work with his tool to press the parts back on. The installer sleeve with the cut-out section was what Sean and I suggested Duane make to go along with the main tool and the tone ring remover. With the installer sleeve, it was now a complete tool that could do everything.

The beauty of Duane's tool is it's all you need. With the original Durasolid tool, we needed to use a bearing splitter and our press sleeve kit which adds expense for people wanting to do this repair.

I'm pretty proud that Sean and I were instrumental in making Duane's tool more functional and I also like supporting someone we respect and like. I've had many conversations with Duane and he's a good dude. Duane had a career in manufacturing and he's retired now. He's keeping busy in retirement making these tools right at his home in Omaha Nebraska.

The funny thing is Durasolid finally got back to me after 6 months and let me know they fixed their tool design and wanted to send me one of their tools to test out again. I told them that train has already left the station and they blew it by not getting back to me sooner. Who knows, we could still be supporting their tool, but I'm damn glad we aren't. These freaking people never even thanked us for supporting their tool. Who knows how many sales we made for them from our videos.

I'm stoked we're supporting an American made tool and not something made overseas. The U.S. use to be a Manufacturing Powerhouse. Now, most things we buy are made in other countries. I'd like to see more manufacturing jobs return to the U.S.
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I always am bummed when I finally make a purchase and then see the price drop later. I don't feel THAT bad in this case, especially if the tool is getting ripped off from some dweeb in a basement somewhere. The tool worked wonderfully and was worth the money I spent. If you plan to be a 4runner owner for the foreseeable future, I'd just get this thing purchased at this price since the rear seals will probably go at some point or one of your buddies will, lol.
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Tim, thanks much. Ordered.

Having spent much of my career combatting CF, finding schemes that fraud my employer, working with the law enforcement, typically the FBI, but also INTERPOL, I get the wrongness of such blatant copying. It all stemmed from the PRC or the People's Republic of China...
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There's an easy fix to this situation; have a bunch of us Ebay users like me buy the fake tool and return it for a refund saying that it is junk. Ebay/Paypal always sides with the buyer.... always. Give it a bad review and say you bought the "original" and it is so much better it added 27.3 horsepower !
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There's an easy fix to this situation; have a bunch of us Ebay users like me buy the fake tool and return it for a refund saying that it is junk. Ebay/Paypal always sides with the buyer.... always. Give it a bad review and say you bought the "original" and it is so much better it added 27.3 horsepower !
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That's a great idea if we could get enough people to do it.
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Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I presume it's OK to post this information on a Tundra forum I freqent? Your video and this tool are well known over there.

I bought Duane's tool for $170 and feel it was a great value at that price. The design and craftsmanship that went into it are brilliantly simple -- it just works.
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Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I presume it's OK to post this information on a Tundra forum I freqent? Your video and this tool are well known over there.

I bought Duane's tool for $170 and feel it was a great value at that price. The design and craftsmanship that went into it are brilliantly simple -- it just works.
Yes, by all means post it on the Tundra forum and anywhere where else you feel appropriate. I posted this also on Tacoma World and many Toyota Enthusiast Facebook pages. The more people who know about the Chinese knock-offs the better.
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Looks like i'll be making some room for a press and this tool in my garage... Thanks Tim for the video, makes it really clear and do-able for the noobs to press work.
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Tool for a LC

I am helping Duane to develop another tool for 80 series and 100 series Land Cruiser rear axle bearing job. The adapter plate which is sold separately for FJ's etc., won't work for the LC. Hope he gets to patent it. Tim, please let him know the importance of a patent.
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