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Old 01-30-2020, 03:31 PM #16
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The 3RZ is a great motor... If it is paired with the W59. It doesn't match well with the auto transmission even in the lighter tacomas. The 3RZ likes to rev and the auto transmission likes to bog, poor match. What will happen in the future is the easy 4runners will get sucked up and what will be left is the high milage/ frame/ engine/transmission problems. There will be plenty of parts for those for quite a while
I used to think the same, but I've been pleasantly surprised with my 3RZ Auto 4x4. Put a couple thousand miles on it including some time at 75 on the freeway, you're not going to be passing anyone sure, but it's perfectly liveable, the factory 4.56s make it very comparable to a V6 auto truck as far as acceleration goes.

You also get the added benefit of having a damn near indestructible trans at the power level, the automatic is identical to the V6's, but the W59 is super wimpy compared to the R150. Sure I was hard on em, but I blew up 2 of them and clutches to go with in a pretty short period of time, I don't think I could blow up my auto if I tried.

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I'll take take the reliability of the 5vz-fe over the 1GR-FE 4.0 I did a head gasket job on my daughters 2004 what a pain in the Bu##. For me it was not worth difference in HP. Do I wish that the 2UZ FE was an easy swap hell yea but I can see a point in the near future where people will be buying up the 3rd gen with a 4 cylinder and doing the easy swap of a 3.4.
The later 1GR's have been great. 03-04 had those headgasket issues. My parents both drive 1GR auto powered trucks, an 05 with 250k and an 07 with 210k respectively with zero issues, not even so much as an oil leak.

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as someone who owns a Jaguar aj8 375 hp and daily my 5vz and being 51 years old all I can say is...

why are you all in such a god dam hurry.
Because i'm not dead?

In all seriousness if you think a 3rd gen 4runner isn't awful to drive in the mountains you're probably being towed by a different vehicle. They are flat out awful at altitude.
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Because i'm not dead?

In all seriousness if you think a 3rd gen 4runner isn't awful to drive in the mountains you're probably being towed by a different vehicle. They are flat out awful at altitude.
Does altitude play a big role? What is the air pressure affecting?
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Because i'm not dead?

In all seriousness if you think a 3rd gen 4runner isn't awful to drive in the mountains you're probably being towed by a different vehicle. They are flat out awful at altitude.
it was in jest of course but... the older I get the more I look around and enjoy the trip.

having driven I70 from Denver to Vegas in both the AJ8 and the 5VZ I understand. The 5VZ is like... hmm wonder if I'm moving or not? the AJ8 just goes. once your up over loveland pass that stretch of I70 is some of the coolest road to drive. as long as it's not Sunday afternoon and your coming back into Denver.
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Does altitude play a big role? What is the air pressure affecting?
100% because there is not as much oxygen. the air is much less dense as you go up in elevation.

if you don't believe me run up the stairs at sea level and then run up the stairs on pikes peak. you will know exactly because you will be winded and your heart will be pounding.

somebody told me the old rule of "3-4% power loss for each 1000 feet of altitude". do the math @ 7000 ft your down some serious power. turbo and super chargers can make up for the power loss I believe.

I'm also pretty sure this is why turbo/super chargers were are popular on aircraft.

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it was in jest of course but... the older I get the more I look around and enjoy the trip.

having driven I70 from Denver to Vegas in both the AJ8 and the 5VZ I understand. The 5VZ is like... hmm wonder if I'm moving or not? the AJ8 just goes. once your up over loveland pass that stretch of I70 is some of the coolest road to drive. as long as it's not Sunday afternoon and your coming back into Denver.
I totally get what you mean. The drivers in Denver act like their vehicles aren't subjected to hitting black ice.

a 2uz swap is certainly on my mind, would make the vehicle just effortless to drive.
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I doubt any of you have DD'd the terrible 3VZ-E. Also known as the 3.slow. I had a 5-speed and I still hated that engine, also due to the fact that it broke almost every month. The engine bay was a spider's web of vacuum hoses that loved falling off and I think Toyota had about 8 VSV's in that engine bay. With 3 vacuum hoses for each VSV. Do the math.
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My 3RZ did have a hard time in the Rockies but that was with 4.10s. High altitude makes a difference.

The 3.0 has the power of a 4 banger and mileage of a V8. I had one for a while too.
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I totally get what you mean. The drivers in Denver act like their vehicles aren't subjected to hitting black ice.

a 2uz swap is certainly on my mind, would make the vehicle just effortless to drive.
I'm also with you on that one. 2uz has a lot going for it. I have been watching for Sequoias locally to chop up. the problem is the low mile ones still get $5-6K.

at some point I will find one. just not going to jump on one until its the right deal. and for the love of everything holly don't tell my wife.
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I'll be really disappointed if people are swapping 3.4s into a 3rd gen. Go V8 or go home.
Why not 2j? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Would probably be more of a challenge to get it CARB legal. The nice about a 2UZ is besides a few minor challenges, the swap isn't terribly difficult.

I'm not sure about the fitment of a 2jz and coupled with the fact that a v8 would be better than an inline 6 for crawling up rocks and etc. I'd love to do swaps and frankly opening a fabrication / restoration shop would probably be a lot of fun.

Plus overall I think if you ended up finding a 2uz-fe with VVTI the power level would be more than adequate for the truck, I'm not trying to build a boost machine. I recall seeing a 4th gen v8 4R with over 800k miles on here, not sure if that is really achievable with a boosted engine.
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If anyone thinks these have no power. You should have drove the 22R carbonated 4x4 of the early 80s. The trucks weighed 2 tons and neither the brakes nor the engine had enough juice. The supercharger and EFI did give them more beans in the mid 80s. However, you had to drive them like they were loaded semis and give yourself plenty of time to stop. ;)

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If anyone thinks these have no power. You should have drove the 22R carbonated 4x4 of the early 80s. The trucks weighed 2 tons and neither the brakes nor the engine had enough juice. The supercharger and EFI did give them more beans in the mid 80s. However, you had to drive them like they were loaded semis and give yourself plenty of time to stop. ;)

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