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Old 02-11-2020, 01:27 PM #16
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So when comparing kits on EBay, I found this interesting:

aircabinman's kit:$300
15 Piece 3.4L engine TIMING BELT KIT WATER PUMP Genuine & OE Manufacture Parts! | eBay

grapebaiwan-us's kit: $175
For Toyota 3.4L V6 Engine Water Pump &Timing Belt Kit Tacoma Tundra 4Runner T100 | eBay

It seems like the exact same kit, with the same part numbers listed, but for $125 less. Am I missing something?

I would like to use aircabinman because of his reputation and because I have used his kit before with great success...but $125 in savings is quite large.
Them kits are always annoying. Its hard to get a vendor that tells it straight. Air Cabin Man seems to be one of the good ones.

He offers a kit for $220 that uses a few non-OEM belts and seals.

For those $175 kits the pictures look wrong. The Toyota water pump has "Toyota" and "Aisin" cast into it. The Aisin ones have the "Toyota" ground off and only the "Aisin" still there. In those kits the picture of the water pump has neither "Toyota" or "Aisin" cast into it.

The Rock Auto Aisin kit ($171) only has the timing components and in the water pump pic you can see where "Toyota" and "Aisin" were ground off and an Aisin sticker placed on it. I've installed a few like that.

This is a picture of a Toyota water pump. When you look at the Aisin branded ones you can see where they ground "Toyota" off and often the grind "Aisin" off and then put on a silver Aisin sticker where they ground "Toyota" off. All them "genuine Toyota" kits on Ebay for $174 have pictures of some other water pump sitting on a Toyota box.

https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Toyot.../dp/B00FZPSSUY

I'm not a loyal Toyota fanboy, so I wouldn't fault a guy for using different belts, tensioner, thermostat. But the water pump is driven by the timing belt and the high tension of the belt puts a fair bit of side load on the bearings of the water pump. And the design is such that the bearings don't have much in the way of leverage. You want Toyota or Aisin for the water pump. Otherwise you risk the bearings wearing and the seal goes out before you get to 90K.
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Them kits are always annoying. Its hard to get a vendor that tells it straight. Air Cabin Man seems to be one of the good ones.

He offers a kit for $220 that uses a few non-OEM belts and seals.

For those $175 kits the pictures look wrong. The Toyota water pump has "Toyota" and "Aisin" cast into it. The Aisin ones have the "Toyota" ground off and only the "Aisin" still there. In those kits the picture of the water pump has neither "Toyota" or "Aisin" cast into it.

The Rock Auto Aisin kit ($171) only has the timing components and in the water pump pic you can see where "Toyota" and "Aisin" were ground off and an Aisin sticker placed on it. I've installed a few like that.

This is a picture of a Toyota water pump. When you look at the Aisin branded ones you can see where they ground "Toyota" off and often the grind "Aisin" off and then put on a silver Aisin sticker where they ground "Toyota" off. All them "genuine Toyota" kits on Ebay for $174 have pictures of some other water pump sitting on a Toyota box.

https://www.amazon.com/Genuine-Toyot.../dp/B00FZPSSUY

If they are already Aisin, why would the name get ground off and then a sticker put on ? In the "olden" days that meant they were a manufacture reject and someone later put the sticker on
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If they are already Aisin, why would the name get ground off and then a sticker put on ?
I'm guessing there is some branding/marketing agreements between Aisin and Toyota.

I've pulled a few water pumps out of Aisin blue boxes that had both "Toyota" and "Aisin" ground off and a silver Aisin sticker.

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There’s a kit on eBay claims everything is Toyota OEM besides a pulley or two. It also say “beware of fake Chinese parts” or something like that. The goes goes for 280$ish. Just know that they do not send you the exact part numbers that are in the description. Water pump and idler tensioner pulley are not Toyota brand but are listed as Toyota and the power steering belt that they send is from a 2.7l Taco. The seller claims it’s the exact same belt but what they list in the description isn’t what you get.

NEW GENUINE TOYOTA 3.4 V6 5VZFE WATER PUMP TIMING BELT KIT 17 PCS 4RUNNER TACOMA | eBay


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There’s a kit on eBay claims everything is Toyota OEM besides a pulley or two. It also say “beware of fake Chinese parts” or something like that. The goes goes for 280$ish. Just know that they do not send you the exact part numbers that are in the description. Water pump and idler tensioner pulley are not Toyota brand but are listed as Toyota and the power steering belt that they send is from a 2.7l Taco. The seller claims it’s the exact same belt but what they list in the description isn’t what you get.

NEW GENUINE TOYOTA 3.4 V6 5VZFE WATER PUMP TIMING BELT KIT 17 PCS 4RUNNER TACOMA | eBay


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In that adds pictures the pump has "Toyota" ground off, but still has the "Aisin" casting and no "Aisin" sticker. That's how they used to come....

Like I said, them kits are annoying. Big game of cat and mouse.
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Ok, so I think what I take from this is: buy AirCabinMan's kit!

Thanks for the education on this.
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Ok, so I think what I take from this is: buy AirCabinMan's kit!

Thanks for the education on this.
I advise to talk to your mechanic and clarify the work for all parts. Typical timing belt jobs don't include the tensioner, and replacing it is annoying. The AC pump and bracket have to removed - 8 more not super easy access bolts. More labor. Cam and crank seals are also 'extras' and are easy, but again, more time on the typical job.
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Ok, so I think what I take from this is: buy AirCabinMan's kit!



Thanks for the education on this.


That kit is fine. The kit I got that is mislabeled will still work perfectly fine and all parts are legit. But, The problem is I paid the extra money for the Toyota branding and that’s not what I got. Oh and the belt, That i still dont know if it will work.


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I advise to talk to your mechanic and clarify the work for all parts. Typical timing belt jobs don't include the tensioner, and replacing it is annoying. The AC pump and bracket have to removed - 8 more not super easy access bolts. More labor. Cam and crank seals are also 'extras' and are easy, but again, more time on the typical job.
Both times I’ve done my timing belt I’ve never done anything with the AC compressor to replace the tensioner. A universal joint and tape like in Timmy’s vid made it a lot easier.
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What special service tools are technically needed for this job? Assume for a moment I was going to do the timing belt, water pump, tensioner, pulleys, crank and cam shaft seals and wanted the special tools...what would I need?

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What special service tools are technically needed for this job? Assume for a moment I was going to do the timing belt, water pump, tensioner, pulleys, crank and cam shaft seals and wanted the special tools...what would I need?

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I bought the Aircabinman kit and let Toyota install all the components for 640 labor and another 24 bucks for some coolant. It took two days but I’m glad I let them do it. They do this stuff day in and day out on 4runners especially here in Colorado. Glad I spent the extra coin on the kit and mainly for the reputation that comes from the buyer.
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I have ordered and received this kit:

https://www.amazon.com/Aisin-TKT-025...g+belt+kit+3.4

It was much cheaper than a Gates or Aisin kit/package from RockAuto.

I can confirm that the pump has Aisin cast in, but Toyota ground. It also has a sticker where TOYOTA would be.
Comes with OE Toyota (with label) tensionner and bearing, and Mitsubishi belt.

Everything in a blue Aisin box, really well packed and padded.

Next week-end my truck gets the whole thing, plus fresh coolant and T-Stat. The seals are in-stock at my local parts store so I will change them if they leak.
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Hello, all.

I hope the dead of winter finds everyone well.

I am planning some spring-time maintenance and first on the list is the timing belt and water pump.

My question is (as the title implies), what are the most important "others" to replace while getting the timing belt replaced? Last time I had the timing belt done (on a different 3rd gen) I bought on of AirCabinMan's kits on EBay. There are quite a few variations out there, both his and others', that use OEM (which is what I plan to do) but I'm trying to decide how much and/or how little I should have replaced. It seems like one could go down the rabbit hole pretty quickly.

For those more in the know than myself, if you were considering this a triage scenario, what would be your order? After timing belt and water pump...idler, pulley, seals, thermostat...?

FYI: I'll be having my trusty mechanic do this.

I'm assuming:

1. Timing Belt
2. Water pump
3. ...

Thanks for your input!

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I did pulleys, hydraulic tensioner, cam shaft seals, crank shaft seal, crank shaft bolt as Toyota doesn’t recommend reusing the original as it’s torqued to 217 ft lbs. Thermostat (don’t forget the gasket, radiator if it’s original, and that should do it!
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