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Ebay Counterfeit Parts
An interesting look at how prevalent counterfeit parts are from non reputable sellers. Buyer beware. It has me wondering if I have some cheap Chinese parts on my 01.
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This^
This is the reason why I've stopped buying ebay and to some degree even Amazon stuff, for things that are critical. For instance, something as simple as spark plugs can end up going south very quickly if they're knockoffs, so I buy those from a reputable/dealer, same for LBJs.
Light bulbs, mud flaps, etc.. sure.. why not save a few bucks. But nothing that if it breaks would make things very bad or leave me stranded.
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Definitely sheds some good light on the matter. I have definitely bought things in the past ("denso" spark plugs come to mind) that upon close inspection, were definitely NOT the real deal.
Beware out there, peeps...
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Every once in a while. We will have a user on the forum want to argue these parts are genuine. The sources are the key. I am sure there are legit ebay and Amazon sell ers out there with genuine parts. It's just 90 to 95% of these parts are junk non genuine.
Heck I even have some old genuine parts on Ebay that I can't sale because of all the fraud out there. People are afraid and I really cant blame them.
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02-18-2020, 07:06 PM
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Hate to say this, but most people don't care about stuff like this, and this video won't change that. We live in a world of convenience and thrifty people. So many younger people don't really understand what quality is anymore, and just want something for cheap or free. Or, they'll just pay someone to do the work, and hope everything turns out OK.
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Hate to say this, but most people don't care about stuff like this, and this video won't change that. We live in a world of convenience and thrifty people. So many younger people don't really understand what quality is anymore, and just want something for cheap or free. Or, they'll just pay someone to do the work, and hope everything turns out OK.
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Valid point Mike. Lots of truth in your comment. I mostly switched to genuine parts or mfg genuine parts years ago. I was tired of changing the same part multiple times. I dont like to play the swap the bad new part out 5 times. My time is more valuable then that.
The user got a good deal until their injectors completely fail in 10k miles. Or their water pump starts leaking in 20k miles. The timing belt snaps. Look at all the money they saved. :/
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Thanks for posting up that link and reminding us what’s going on out there when it comes to counterfeit replacement parts BoomerBob.
It is tempting to buy from Amazon, eBay, etc vs the dealerships as the dollar savings can add up.
When it comes to auto parts I only go OEM from one of the online dealers as just not worth the risk.
I’ve found that some of the big online Toyota dealers are very competitive with there pricing.
I only buy from Conicelli Toyota in PA as there prices are good and shipping costs are very reasonable. They also respond quickly and address any issues that may come up.
Thanks again for bringing this issue up as many may not realize how real of an issue it is.
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I shudder when people link Amazon/Ebay injectors for $70 for a full set. Toyota sells them for around $150 a pop and you seriously think you found all 6 for half the price of one from the dealer? Sure, they might "run" but what happens when they break or start spraying fuel all over the engine bay?
I agree on not compromising on essential parts. I have a fair amount of aftermarket parts on my 4Runner (and fluids) but when it comes to the parts that get me to where I want to go safely, it's not worth the risk to take a gamble on quality.
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Originally Posted by brillo_76
Valid point Mike. Lots of truth in your comment. I mostly switched to genuine parts or mfg genuine parts years ago. I was tired of changing the same part multiple times. I dont like to play the swap the bad new part out 5 times. My time is more valuable then that.
The user got a good deal until their injectors completely fail in 10k miles. Or their water pump starts leaking in 20k miles. The timing belt snaps. Look at all the money they saved. :/
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I'm in the same boat with ball joints, TRE's, and wheel bearings. People swear by Sankei 555 parts, and even claim they make the OEM parts. I find that hard believe when their parts fail in under 5k miles, and OEM will last to my normal 25k exchange.
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How do these sellers not get in legal trouble? Or at least in trouble with eBay?
If one of them hypothetically sold a set of injectors they claimed they were OEM and said injectors *knock on wood* caused a fire that ruined the truck... Wouldn't that be lawsuit city?
Also, at the same time, there are a lot of items I've ordered from some of the out of state dealership part sites and some of it have actually been about half the cost of my dealerships.
Ugh, I specifically go out of my way to get Japanese oem.
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How do these sellers not get in legal trouble? Or at least in trouble with eBay?
If one of them hypothetically sold a set of injectors they claimed they were OEM and said injectors *knock on wood* caused a fire that ruined the truck... Wouldn't that be lawsuit city?
Also, at the same time, there are a lot of items I've ordered from some of the out of state dealership part sites and some of it have actually been about half the cost of my dealerships.
Ugh, I specifically go out of my way to get Japanese oem.
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The sellers are Chinese, even though it states that the parts are coming from California if you look in the seller profile the location is listed as Hong Kong
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The sellers are Chinese, even though it states that the parts are coming from California if you look in the seller profile the location is listed as Hong Kong
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Exactly. Ebay has no jurisdiction or can take legal action on foreign citizens. Being China is communist, there isn't any laws against countfit goods nor any way easy way to stop the junk goods. The same goes for Amazon. They kill the accounts they create new accounts and start all over again. Its actually a major problem and I forgot how many billions are lost every year to intellectual property theft every year.
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And they'll keep doing it because people are buying them - 31 sets sold on my link alone.
FWIW I needed new injectors for my '99 (one got flaky when it was warm), and I certainly weeded out the obvious scams on eBay (like the above) and ended up buying a set for $250-ish. I really thought they were going to be genuine. Got them in, and despite them being pictured in the auction with Toyota parts boxes (like the above), they were just in generic plastic baggies. I figured I'd give them a go, since at that point my truck was apart, and it's not a trivial task to get down to the injectors on a 5VZ. And... they sucked. A noticeably uneven idle (a good clue that the volumes are not well matched). And hard cranking, warm or cold, a clue that they're leaking down when shut off. I quizzed the seller and they said:
- they 'buy in bulk' - that's why there are no parts boxes (lol)
- I should put at least 100 miles on them to 'break them in' (super groaning WTF-lol)
I put 100 miles on them, they got worse, not better, so I demanded a return. And they agreed without an argument, sent them back and got a 100% full refund. And I went to a junkyard and got a set of actual OEM injectors from a wrecked 3rd gen. And they work perfectly.
Oh, and another eBay gem. I needed to do a TB/WP, so I looked on eBay for complete kits. And found one pretty damn cheap. 'Genuine OEM' it said. So like a gullible idiot I ordered it. And when it came in a big box, I opened it and found a bunch of smaller plain white 'generic' boxes that said, literally, 'OEM' on them. As in, the 'brand name' was OEM. And it was all obviously cheap knockoff crap. I got a full refund on that one as well (and bought an actual genuine kit from aircabinman). But I still find that amusing, 'OEM brand'!!!, literally. But not figuratively.
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They can ban them from eBay and ban them again when they pop up undo a different name. But it will never happen...
too much money to be made by eBay as is.
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