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I got lucky getting my 99% rust free, a bit mechanically neglected, 2000 Limited 4wd E-locker in NC a couple years ago for $4500. The first post has pictures of underneath from when I first got it and the last post has after fluidfilm application this year.

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^ yep, that's exactly my point. 2 years ago, 4500. You did end up having to put a crazy amount of work into it though. I'm hoping to eventually find something requiring a bit less work.
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^ yep, that's exactly my point. 2 years ago, 4500. You did end up having to put a crazy amount of work into it though. I'm hoping to eventually find something requiring a bit less work.
it took me about 6 months to find my current project.

you have to be realistic your going to need to fix almost anything out there. almost all these trucks need valve covers (unless you like that burning oil smell?) lower ball joints, probably a steering rack, maybe bearings and brake work all around. timing belt yea probably. the main seals are leaking on the engine at this point and... the list goes on and on.

they are old trucks and they usually need between $1K - $3K of stuff done to them regardless.

don't get me wrong I now own 3 of these majestic beasts. I love them.

however to me it's the choice of buy a new 5th gen and drive it without having to do any real maint for 10-15 years or.... buy a decent used 3rd gen and put a bunch of parts/time into it and get a decent truck that should last for a while. your going to spend a lot less than buying new but there will be days when your not loving that 20+ year old 3rd gen.

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I'm use to base-lining my cars so am ready for TB, VC, LBJ, Seals, etc. I'm OK with that. Plus my other cars are german and I'm averaging about 2-4k a year in "maint and repairs" to keep things running.

My 4runner has been about $380/yr in Maint/Repair. I love these trucks!
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I'm use to base-lining my cars so am ready for TB, VC, LBJ, Seals, etc. I'm OK with that. Plus my other cars are german and I'm averaging about 2-4k a year in "maint and repairs" to keep things running.

My 4runner has been about $380/yr in Maint/Repair. I love these trucks!
look u might find a 3rd gen 4runner that needs minimum work but chances are they will need alot of work. Ones likes most of the members up here that have had all of that work performed already is rarely on the market. After all 25 years is a long time not to have serious transmission, motor, suspension, etc work. So the chances that you actually get 1 that doesn't need some major work is rare especially since most are selling them cause they need major work. Mine has 319,000 miles and I've got one that rarely needed maintenance for 15 years. The last couple of years it needed lots of suspension parts replaced, head gasket, the original alternator and few other minor fixes. A car this reliable just gets passed to family like most good 3rd gens.

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I'm on my 3rd 3rd gen. None needed anything major... Starter contacts, one needed an alt, rear axle seal, vcg, O2 sensors. All of them got a suspension refresh since I've placed lifts on them.

Otherwise, that's it. I don't consider any of that major work. Never had trans, engine failures or anything else you've mentioned. Cumulatively, they had about 550k miles on them.. all on original drivetrains.

Why are you saying they would need serious work when yours yourself has 319k and is just fine? Lol.

As long as they are maintained.. and even barely need that.. these run forever. The exception seems to be the 01-02 with abs modules and trans problems and even those aren't set in stone.
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I'm hesitant to say this, but this one sure looks nice. Good starting price IMO since it's at a smaller dealer.


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I'm on my 3rd 3rd gen. None needed anything major... Starter contacts, one needed an alt, rear axle seal, vcg, O2 sensors. All of them got a suspension refresh since I've placed lifts on them.

Otherwise, that's it. I don't consider any of that major work. Never had trans, engine failures or anything else you've mentioned. Cumulatively, they had about 550k miles on them.. all on original drivetrains.

Why are you saying they would need serious work when yours yourself has 319k and is just fine? Lol.

As long as they are maintained.. and even barely need that.. these run forever. The exception seems to be the 01-02 with abs modules and trans problems and even those aren't set in stone.
the odds are that with so many 3rd gens out there approaching 200k or more miles when they are sold they will need work. Well maintained vehicles can't avoid a head gasket issue, leaky valve covers, master brake cylinder replacement etc especially when they have been running for 20+ years. I have 3 4 runners, 3rd, 4th, and 5th gen. I know they can be very reliable but 20 years of use and multiple owners can cause even the best made vehicles to have lots of issues. Like others has said it would be best to prepare to make it a project and pay accordingly instead of relying on it being solid with minimal issues.
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the odds are that with so many 3rd gens out there approaching 200k or more miles when they are sold they will need work. Well maintained vehicles can't avoid a head gasket issue, leaky valve covers, master brake cylinder replacement etc especially when they have been running for 20+ years. I have 3 4 runners, 3rd, 4th, and 5th gen. I know they can be very reliable but 20 years of use and multiple owners can cause even the best made vehicles to have lots of issues. Like others has said it would be best to prepare to make it a project and pay accordingly instead of relying on it being solid with minimal issues.
Definitely ready for all that, but don't agree with the statement that, "After all 25 years is a long time not to have serious transmission, motor, suspension, etc work."

Leaky valve covers and Master BC replacements are a long way from "serious Trans, motor, etc work." Like I said, I'm happy to put in the time to baseline anything we end up buying, but they sky is not falling. I've had 3 3rd gens (98-99-00). Solid trucks all around. Seems like your experience is the same too.

Back to the original point, that is just seems like 3rd gens have gone UP in price for rust free 99-00, with Lockers. But there are indeed some deals to be had on secondary sites like CL, FB. Etc and that's where I'll be looking.
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...there are indeed some deals to be had on secondary sites like CL, FB. Etc and that's where I'll be looking.

Not sure if anyone mentioned Ebay, but that's where I find lots of vehicles I want, but yes you will 'shop' for 6-9 months before the 'perfect' one comes along yet it will.

Here's 3 minutes of looking, I'd go with this and add the locker: 1999 Toyota 4Runner 4dr Limited 3.4L Automatic 4WD | eBay

or this: 2000 Toyota 4Runner Sport 4WD V6 CD Tow Package Moon Roof Video CARFAX | eBay

Lots of lockers.... 1996-04 Toyota 4Runner Tacoma 8" 4.30 E-Locker Rear Differential 3rd Member Kit | eBay

Oh yeah I agree, 20-25+ yr old vehicles don't guarantee problems, look at all the Original parts still going on my Red one in sig. Most systems have never needed to be opened up in this baby...

Luck and let us know how it turns out, the fun is in the Hunt!
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the odds are that with so many 3rd gens out there approaching 200k or more miles when they are sold they will need work. Well maintained vehicles can't avoid a head gasket issue, leaky valve covers, master brake cylinder replacement etc especially when they have been running for 20+ years. I have 3 4 runners, 3rd, 4th, and 5th gen. I know they can be very reliable but 20 years of use and multiple owners can cause even the best made vehicles to have lots of issues. Like others has said it would be best to prepare to make it a project and pay accordingly instead of relying on it being solid with minimal issues.
My take on it is this. 4runners (and Toyotas in general) are so reliable and forgiving that Po's tend to do next to no maintenance and get away with it for years. They only decide to sell them when something expensive comes up and the cost of delayed maintenance is more than they want to spend. I think it's rare to find one that doesn't need the whole gamut of updating (lbjs, timing, suspension, axle seals etc.).

If you find one up to date consider yourself very lucky. Like I always say about buying a boat, you are shopping for a good Previous Owner as much as a good boat.
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I can confirm that, got my 2000 for 3K and replaced just about everything, even new cylinder heads and carpet. Pretty much factory new but if I had bought one in the same mechanical condition, whew would that have cost a lot. Probably more than I spent in replacing everything. At least this way I know it’s good to go for years, and that the parts I used are genuine and not just junk that will go before it’s time. Still, even without restoration, your right in that they still need work done, gaskets, alt, ball joints, and definitely timing belts, also switching back to HOAT coolant. 👍
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I think that's the thing. These are 21+ year old trucks going for 6-10k... 2 years ago, they'd be closer to 4-7k and many of them are beat up/nasty. Some of the higher priced ones are mint, so that's understandable, but not for 11-16k.

Hmmm.. I'll just wait a bit... in 3-4 months when we have 12% unemployment.. these will all be on fire sales.
LOLOL I know! Sometimes the best thing to do is get a vehicle to trade. Get that on the cheap side and trade for the 3rd gen. In Michigan the high end of the market is 3700 bucks but every truck is hit or miss with the frame.
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This is why I love having 3 rear lockers sitting in my garage LOL
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Definitely ready for all that, but don't agree with the statement that, "After all 25 years is a long time not to have serious transmission, motor, suspension, etc work."

Leaky valve covers and Master BC replacements are a long way from "serious Trans, motor, etc work." Like I said, I'm happy to put in the time to baseline anything we end up buying, but they sky is not falling. I've had 3 3rd gens (98-99-00). Solid trucks all around. Seems like your experience is the same too.

Back to the original point, that is just seems like 3rd gens have gone UP in price for rust free 99-00, with Lockers. But there are indeed some deals to be had on secondary sites like CL, FB. Etc and that's where I'll be looking.
After 300k it isn't a shocker for an engine or trans to give up out of the blue. One day an engine can start knocking or a transmission planetary gear can fail. We are a bunch of cocky 3rd gen owners but the next decade or so will show what can really happen to a vehicle this old. On the bright side, we still have a reason to be cocky. Failure at this age will still be less than most other vehicles.
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