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Don't kill me another rear coil question

So I finally ordered my Bilstein 5100/OME 2881 front springs and decided to go the 906 Bilstein route in the rear. Was trying to accomplish a little over 2" of lift and I'm running 265-75-16 tires. The issue is when I ordered everything from Wheeler's early last week it was all in stock but now the rear springs are on backorder. I'm not a very patient person(character flaw I know!) and after I've been researching a LOT the 906's may have been a little stiffer than I wanted(don't plan on having too much weight back there). I was trying to figure out if I can just order some stock height 80 series front springs from Slee but confused as hell on what to order to accomplish 2-2.5" of lift. Or maybe I should source some 99 talls with a spacer?? Wheeler's said their Eibach springs would only net about 1" of lift also. Any suggestions from the party people???
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I went with Eibach Pro shocks all around, Wheeler T1 front coil (2.5”) and an OME 2895E rear coil (2”). Rides great, and I got the exact look I needed. I didn’t want reverse rake when towing which is why I didn’t go with the 1” Eibach rear coil.


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So I finally ordered my Bilstein 5100/OME 2881 front springs and decided to go the 906 Bilstein route in the rear. Was trying to accomplish a little over 2" of lift and I'm running 265-75-16 tires. The issue is when I ordered everything from Wheeler's early last week it was all in stock but now the rear springs are on backorder. I'm not a very patient person(character flaw I know!) and after I've been researching a LOT the 906's may have been a little stiffer than I wanted(don't plan on having too much weight back there). I was trying to figure out if I can just order some stock height 80 series front springs from Slee but confused as hell on what to order to accomplish 2-2.5" of lift. Or maybe I should source some 99 talls with a spacer?? Wheeler's said their Eibach springs would only net about 1" of lift also. Any suggestions from the party people???
Stock height front coil springs from an FJ80 will net you around 3.5" of lift in the rear.

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I went with Eibach Pro shocks all around, Wheeler T1 front coil (2.5”) and an OME 2895E rear coil (2”). Rides great, and I got the exact look I needed. I didn’t want reverse rake when towing which is why I didn’t go with the 1” Eibach rear coil.


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You have a 5th Gen 4Runner so none of what you just listed will be applicable to a 3rd Gen 4Runner
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Thanks for the quick responses! I was afraid the Cruiser coils were going to be too much lift.
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Stock height front coil springs from an FJ80 will net you around 3.5" of lift in the rear.



You have a 5th Gen 4Runner so none of what you just listed will be applicable to a 3rd Gen 4Runner

Lol I realized after posting I was in the wrong section Don't kill me another rear coil question


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Thanks for the quick responses! I was afraid the Cruiser coils were going to be too much lift.
Have you considered 890's instead? A little softer spring rate and around 2.5 to 3 inches unloaded with no armor.

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Thought about them but didn't want to replace my upper control arms so was trying to keep it under 2.5" of lift in the front so around the same in the rear. I guess an extra .5" wouldn't be too bad! From what I read(from your links thank you very much) the ride is a bit softer with the 890's too.
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890’s are what I’m currently putting in mine.I’m seeing right at 3” now (new).
I’m using the extended bilstiens wheelers sells.
The extended shocks introduce several issues. Brake line, bump stops, and locker harness are all too short for the new shocks.
If you stay with factory length shocks you could avoid all that but loose some down travel.
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Thought about them but didn't want to replace my upper control arms so was trying to keep it under 2.5" of lift in the front so around the same in the rear. I guess an extra .5" wouldn't be too bad! From what I read(from your links thank you very much) the ride is a bit softer with the 890's too.
If you're after 2-2.5" of front lift, would definitely recommend 890s in the rear. Even if you don't carry a lot of weight, you'll be glad the rear is 1" higher when you have luggage for road trips, tools, home depot stuff, passengers, etc weighing down the back.
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I was going to stick with the 0-2" Billy's. That should be fine still right?
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890’s are what I’m currently putting in mine.I’m seeing right at 3” now (new).
I’m using the extended bilstiens wheelers sells.
The extended shocks introduce several issues. Brake line, bump stops, and locker harness are all too short for the new shocks.
If you stay with factory length shocks you could avoid all that but loose some down travel.
thanks...in the near future I want to go up only 2 inches... dont want to mess with brakeline...locker wires.etc
however..I was under the impression that if you went with a stock shock it would not "open" enough and you wont get the full lift when using a 3" lift spring

I was planning on my next to be tundra coils front OME springs (906) rear and billies at all 4 corners for a total of 2 inch..its listed as 2 inch over stock. so I assume that means 1 inch over "99 talls"
but the tundra springs are so expensive...might have to do something else
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Get a pair of Dobinsons C59-137v rear springs. They should give you your desired lift height while performing better than either the 906s or '99 talls. They won't give you as much lift as a pair of 890s.

I just put them on my truck after doing hours of research on this exact topic.
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thanks...in the near future I want to go up only 2 inches... dont want to mess with brakeline...locker wires.etc
however..I was under the impression that if you went with a stock shock it would not "open" enough and you wont get the full lift when using a 3" lift spring

I was planning on my next to be tundra coils front OME springs (906) rear and billies at all 4 corners for a total of 2 inch..its listed as 2 inch over stock. so I assume that means 1 inch over "99 talls"
but the tundra springs are so expensive...might have to do something else

I have the tundra springs. Not in yet.

These are my measurements. Not super accurate cause I didn’t pull the springs and then reinstall the shocks to get full measurements. The shocks are a pain.

Initial readings:
Front 20 1/4
Rear pass 20 1/4
Rear driver 20 5/8

Initial full Droop ( axle hanging about level)
25 3/4 driver
24 7/8 pass
(Difference caused by the track bar pulling the axle to the passenger side)

Factory shock 14” to 21” center eye to bushing top

I never fully stuffed it to get a full compression reading, but given the shock travel assume it to be around 18”.

So factory I had around 2” up travel and 5” down.

If you lift 3” with stock shocks you’d have 5” of up and 2” of down.

My new extended shocks measure 15” to 23”. So 8” of travel, but that travel starts at 19” and goes to 27” (roughly).
So sitting at 22.5-23 I should have 3.5-4” up and 4-4.5” down.

That extra 2” of droop and 19” compressed point now mean the brake line and locker harness are to short, the bump stops are too short, and the track bar angle is poor.
I’ll extend the locker harness mount bracket 1/2”, bought a 19” brake line to replace the stock ~15” one. I bought 3” Daystar bump stops to replace the 3” factory and I’ll make an extended mount.
3” rather than 5” due to daystar bolt is larger than factory so the 3” allows for easy bolting internal to a bracket. 5” would complicate the bracket design.
(I’m not sure my factory bumps ever contacted the axle. The jounce bumps in the coils obviously did often.)
I bought 2nd gen rear sway bar links to correct for sway bar orientation.
I have the EM kieth(?) track bar mounts.
Not sure I’ll use both though. The axle one moves the track bar pivot point up, thus pushing(swinging) the driveline closet to the fuel tank when flexed with driver side stuffed. I’ll have to play and measure to see. May just use frame side. My lift is mild.
The front of course doesn’t change much in travel (I believe the tundra shocks add a little) you just move the ride height lower in the travel range so gain up travel but lose down travel. IFS is painful to add travel range to.

Should have started another thread.

Curios why I never see the locker harness mentioned when folks lift.
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I have the tundra springs. Not in yet.

These are my measurements. Not super accurate cause I didn’t pull the springs and then reinstall the shocks to get full measurements. The shocks are a pain.

Initial readings:
Front 20 1/4
Rear pass 20 1/4
Rear driver 20 5/8

Initial full Droop ( axle hanging about level)
25 3/4 driver
24 7/8 pass

Factory shock 14” to 21” center eye to bushing top

I never fully stuffed it to get a full compression reading, but given the shock travel assume it to be around 18”.

So factory I had around 2” up travel and 5” down.

If you lift 3” with stock shocks you’d have 5” of up and 2” of down.

My new extended shocks measure 15” to 23”. So 8” of travel, but that travel starts at 19” and goes to 27” (roughly).
So sitting at 22.5-23 I should have 3.5-4” up and 4-4.5” down.


The front of course doesn’t change much in travel (I believe the tundra shocks add a little) you just move the ride height lower in the travel range so gain up travel but lose down travel. IFS is painful to add travel range to.
so your gonna run tundra fronts and 890's on back ?...what shock you plan to use ?
would that combo do 2 inch front 3 inch rear ?
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I edited the other post/novel!

I have the tundra bilstiens for the front. I’ll have to test and see what notch to use. 1” of stink bug stance would be fine with me.

I guess, I have the Tundra bilstiens front and rear.
The rears don’t seem ideal. They are soft valved and the lower shock eye is much smaller and uses a much thinner bushing. Suspect it will be a consumable part that needs replaced from time to time.
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