Home Menu

Site Navigation


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 07-27-2020, 07:49 PM #1
Dom8706's Avatar
Dom8706 Dom8706 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 216
Dom8706 is on a distinguished road
Dom8706 Dom8706 is offline
Member
Dom8706's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 216
Dom8706 is on a distinguished road
Did BIg 3. Getting less power.

Used 2 gauge AWG wire, 2 gauge AWG pure copper terminals and brass battery termianls

I did a replacement not an addition. Starter to positive, alternator to 100AMP breaker to positive, left white/tan wire to fuse box alone and just added it to positive as is. For the negative i did engine ground to negative and chassis to negative.

I have a little device that plugs into my cig lighter outlet that tells me the temp and the volts. Before hand i would stay around 13.8-14.0 most of the time and it was consistent while driving. When i first started it up after i installed everything it was at 14.0-14.1. I was happy and went on with my weekend. Now that ive actually drove it its dropped down to 13.8 and when i am at a stop it will drop to 13.5, maybe 13.4 if i have my blinker on.

Whats going on here? Does anyone have any ideas? I thought i did everything right. I also hooked up a additional fuse block for my accessories.
Attached Images
Did BIg 3. Getting less power.-20200724_195700-1-jpg 
__________________
02 T4R SR5 3.4L AT 215k - TJM Front Bumper - Coastal Offroad Rear Bumper - 914Z Ditch Lights w/ CBI brackets - Ebay Snorkel - Airaid MIT - Big 4 - B&M 70268 - Complete Suspension Rebuild - OME 881/906 Coils - OME 90004/60028 Shocks - ToyTec 1" BL - SS Diff Drop/Panhard Bar/Rear Body Mounts/Hi Lift Mount. Plus other stuff.

Last edited by Dom8706; 07-27-2020 at 07:55 PM.
Dom8706 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-27-2020, 09:31 PM #2
TheDurk's Avatar
TheDurk TheDurk is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Pocono Mountains
Posts: 7,502
TheDurk is a glorious beacon of light TheDurk is a glorious beacon of light TheDurk is a glorious beacon of light TheDurk is a glorious beacon of light TheDurk is a glorious beacon of light TheDurk is a glorious beacon of light
TheDurk TheDurk is offline
Elite Member
TheDurk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Pocono Mountains
Posts: 7,502
TheDurk is a glorious beacon of light TheDurk is a glorious beacon of light TheDurk is a glorious beacon of light TheDurk is a glorious beacon of light TheDurk is a glorious beacon of light TheDurk is a glorious beacon of light
You know, it might be normal. You may have improved the alt/battery connection to the degree that it actually takes less voltage at the battery for the alt to think it is fully charged. Ignore that silly device for this purpose and take your readings directly at the battery with a real voltmeter before you go fixing what ain't broke.

Also check your Alt-S fuse and the condition of the wires at the oval plug on the alt., especially the white one.
__________________
'99 4Runner SR5 5spd 3.4L V6 4WD(U.S), original '99 Talls in front, OME 906s in back, Hella fogs, Trekmaster shocks in front, Billy in back, no running boards, FIAMM horns, Alpine sound, Michelin LTX M/S2's, owned since new.
'97 HiLux SW4 5spd 4WD(Japan model bought in Brazil assembled in Argentina, very close to a 3.0 4Runner/Surf)
'71 FordWillys Jeep CJ5 (with straight six Ford Maverick 3.0 liter engine--lives in the mountains north of Sao Paulo Brazil)
My Backyard Frame Swap

Last edited by TheDurk; 07-27-2020 at 09:35 PM.
TheDurk is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-27-2020, 09:52 PM #3
raKnizek's Avatar
raKnizek raKnizek is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 431
Real Name: Alex
raKnizek will become famous soon enough
raKnizek raKnizek is offline
Member
raKnizek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 431
Real Name: Alex
raKnizek will become famous soon enough
Thinking out loud here, but since you have increased wire diameter but have not changed voltage or amps supplied to the system, your voltage reading at the cigarette lighter would be lower
__________________
2000 SR5 3.4, Manual, 4x4
Icon 2.5 extended coilovers & 2.0 rear, JBA UCAs
265/75R16 General Grabber X3 on LC80s
Full Skid Plates
raKnizek is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-28-2020, 02:15 AM #4
3bears 3bears is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: north east of Fairbank out there in the frontiers Alaska
Posts: 3,182
Real Name: 3 Bears
3bears is a splendid one to behold 3bears is a splendid one to behold 3bears is a splendid one to behold 3bears is a splendid one to behold 3bears is a splendid one to behold 3bears is a splendid one to behold 3bears is a splendid one to behold
3bears 3bears is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: north east of Fairbank out there in the frontiers Alaska
Posts: 3,182
Real Name: 3 Bears
3bears is a splendid one to behold 3bears is a splendid one to behold 3bears is a splendid one to behold 3bears is a splendid one to behold 3bears is a splendid one to behold 3bears is a splendid one to behold 3bears is a splendid one to behold
when I did my big 3, I also put an extra engine ground going from alternator bracket to the inner fender , an existing bolt, right next to battery...prob overkill
__________________
2000 SR-5 Highlander version 4:30's, factory locker , green, bought 6/21
2001 SR-5... bought 11/20..sold 6/21....
2000 SR-5 moded, lifted, e locker, other cool stuff, totaled 10/20
3bears is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-28-2020, 04:05 AM #5
19963.4lsr5 19963.4lsr5 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,353
19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold
19963.4lsr5 19963.4lsr5 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,353
19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold
In 100 degree heat I see 13.5 to 13.6 if my underhood temps are really high.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
19963.4lsr5 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-28-2020, 12:55 PM #6
gamefreakgc's Avatar
gamefreakgc gamefreakgc is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Citrus Heights, California
Age: 36
Posts: 7,338
Real Name: Jerod
gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future
gamefreakgc gamefreakgc is offline
Elite Member
gamefreakgc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Citrus Heights, California
Age: 36
Posts: 7,338
Real Name: Jerod
gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future
Quote:
Originally Posted by 19963.4lsr5 View Post
In 100 degree heat I see 13.5 to 13.6 if my underhood temps are really high.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Bingo. As under hood temperatures increase alternator output at idle goes down. Mine will normally sit around 13.5V at the cig lighter at idle once warmed up but 14.0V at startup cold. Of course, that's also idling at 600 RPM vs 900 RPM+.

Based on my experience, your wiring is correct and the system is functioning as it should.
__________________
'98 4Runner SR5 - 4x4 JDM 5VZ-FE Supercharged - 249K miles.
326WHP 347TQ

AEM F/IC 6, 11 PSI, 3" Intake and 3" Exhaust
Jerod's Supercharged T[u]RD Build
gamefreakgc is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-28-2020, 03:28 PM #7
19963.4lsr5 19963.4lsr5 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,353
19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold
19963.4lsr5 19963.4lsr5 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,353
19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamefreakgc View Post
Bingo. As under hood temperatures increase alternator output at idle goes down. Mine will normally sit around 13.5V at the cig lighter at idle once warmed up but 14.0V at startup cold. Of course, that's also idling at 600 RPM vs 900 RPM+.

Based on my experience, your wiring is correct and the system is functioning as it should.

Denso or GM Alt? The CS Alt in my Saturn never goes below 13.8. Normally it’s 14 to 14.2


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
19963.4lsr5 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-28-2020, 07:23 PM #8
Dom8706's Avatar
Dom8706 Dom8706 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 216
Dom8706 is on a distinguished road
Dom8706 Dom8706 is offline
Member
Dom8706's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 216
Dom8706 is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by gamefreakgc View Post
Bingo. As under hood temperatures increase alternator output at idle goes down. Mine will normally sit around 13.5V at the cig lighter at idle once warmed up but 14.0V at startup cold. Of course, that's also idling at 600 RPM vs 900 RPM+.

Based on my experience, your wiring is correct and the system is functioning as it should.
That's exactly what is going on with me. 14 volts cold start up. 13.5ish when idle at temp. It's also been hot as shit here the past couple of weeks. Pushing up towards 100 degrees.

Glad to know this is normal. Going to be making a cross state trip this coming weekend and want to make sure it's all in working order.
__________________
02 T4R SR5 3.4L AT 215k - TJM Front Bumper - Coastal Offroad Rear Bumper - 914Z Ditch Lights w/ CBI brackets - Ebay Snorkel - Airaid MIT - Big 4 - B&M 70268 - Complete Suspension Rebuild - OME 881/906 Coils - OME 90004/60028 Shocks - ToyTec 1" BL - SS Diff Drop/Panhard Bar/Rear Body Mounts/Hi Lift Mount. Plus other stuff.
Dom8706 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-28-2020, 11:08 PM #9
gamefreakgc's Avatar
gamefreakgc gamefreakgc is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Citrus Heights, California
Age: 36
Posts: 7,338
Real Name: Jerod
gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future
gamefreakgc gamefreakgc is offline
Elite Member
gamefreakgc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Citrus Heights, California
Age: 36
Posts: 7,338
Real Name: Jerod
gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future gamefreakgc has a brilliant future
Quote:
Originally Posted by 19963.4lsr5 View Post
Denso or GM Alt? The CS Alt in my Saturn never goes below 13.8. Normally it’s 14 to 14.2


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
GM Alt but the Denso unit acted similar. Those voltage readings are from the cigarette lighter which are lower than off the battery terminals but just sharing because that's what the OP also used to read the voltage. Off the battery it's 14.4 at startup, 13.8-14.0 when warm, and 13.4 when my 20 amp electric fan kicks on full blast on hot days.
__________________
'98 4Runner SR5 - 4x4 JDM 5VZ-FE Supercharged - 249K miles.
326WHP 347TQ

AEM F/IC 6, 11 PSI, 3" Intake and 3" Exhaust
Jerod's Supercharged T[u]RD Build
gamefreakgc is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-29-2020, 12:44 PM #10
Dieselchessy Dieselchessy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: SW Washington
Posts: 595
Dieselchessy has a spectacular aura about Dieselchessy has a spectacular aura about Dieselchessy has a spectacular aura about
Dieselchessy Dieselchessy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: SW Washington
Posts: 595
Dieselchessy has a spectacular aura about Dieselchessy has a spectacular aura about Dieselchessy has a spectacular aura about
Battery looks like the smaller size. Seeing the original battery clamp hanging there looks odd.

Maybe replace the brushes in the alternator. But like the others have said, heat and increased draw may be the cause.
__________________
Owned 82, 83, 87 pickup, 98, 99 SR5 4runner
Currently own a 98 SR5, 5spd, 4x4, e-locker, no sunroof. 2012 LTD with the normal options.
Dieselchessy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-29-2020, 12:56 PM #11
phattyduck phattyduck is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Pasadena, CA
Posts: 5,450
phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute
phattyduck phattyduck is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Pasadena, CA
Posts: 5,450
phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute phattyduck has a reputation beyond repute
Alternator output voltage is specifically reduced at high temps - it keeps the battery from boiling over (avoids overcharging).

It can be as low as 13.4V at very elevated temps, but 13.6V is a more normal 'minimum' voltage in more normal summer temps.

If your AC was on high, headlights, brake lights on and in gear, a slight drop in voltage is to be expected. Your battery isn't discharging until voltage drops below 12.7V or so - but it just isn't charging at that time.

-Charlie
__________________
'99 4Runner SR5 Auto - 4WD swapped
'89 Camry Alltrac LE 3S-GTE 5spd
'17 Chevy Volt Premier
'16 Honda Odyssey Elite
Previous: '88 Camry Alltrac LE 3S-GE BEAMS, 90 Camry 3S-GTE, 90 Camry DX, '03 WRX wagon, '08 Outback XT
phattyduck is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-29-2020, 01:48 PM #12
19963.4lsr5 19963.4lsr5 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,353
19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold
19963.4lsr5 19963.4lsr5 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Stouchsburg PA
Posts: 5,353
19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold 19963.4lsr5 is a splendid one to behold
Did BIg 3. Getting less power.

I determined the factory 70 and 80 alt’s can only push around 40a idling in gear at 600rpm.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Last edited by 19963.4lsr5; 07-29-2020 at 03:29 PM.
19963.4lsr5 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 07-29-2020, 04:27 PM #13
ambush ambush is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Charlotte/Wilmington NC/Cola SC
Posts: 363
ambush will become famous soon enough
ambush ambush is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Charlotte/Wilmington NC/Cola SC
Posts: 363
ambush will become famous soon enough
Your setup looks GOOD!! I should have gone 2 ga as well.
I agree with everyone, the idle voltage maybe fine versus cold and driving.
OR
just throwing a dart out, maybe your ground???
I dont know....

This is how I did mine...(KiTT)





The ground from the Alternator is connected to the side wall where the OEM ground was. Then I just added that to the battery. I hid that fuse and connected one from ALT --> FuseBOX --> Battery (the previous owner did a hack job i had to clean up). I have not checked the running voltage yet as my exhaust is completely removed at the moment (DAMN CLOGGED CAT!!)...

Plugs:
HighWire Audio Big 3 kit (4ga)
Battery tie and Fuse box cover courtesy @DeathCougar parts

Just my $.14 cents.
__________________
Current: 1999 4runner Limited 2wd (Desert Trooper) 170k miles! - WIP!
- s13we brake upgrade
New: 2001 4runner SR5 2wd (Silver Surfer) 213k miles! - WIP (looking for engine)
New: 1999 4runner Limited 2wd (KiTT) 577k miles!!!!!!!! - WIP!
Sold: 2000 4runner Limited 2wd 220k miles (idiot! i know)

Last edited by ambush; 07-30-2020 at 03:18 AM.
ambush is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Tags
awg , fuse , gauge , negative , positive


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
No Power At Kick Panel Fuses, Fuse Box Has Power snivilous 3rd gen T4Rs 7 12-17-2022 03:56 PM
Power windows / power door locks inop jimlaw3 Classic T4Rs 3 12-24-2015 04:00 PM
Power Inverter Installation 2001 T4R With Shore Power Rock_Rat 3rd gen T4Rs 9 04-16-2015 05:35 PM
Power windows, power door locks, sunroof, rear window ALL DEAD JAKE_S 3rd gen T4Rs 2 03-18-2009 12:30 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:35 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020