User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 08-24-2020, 11:56 PM #1
marcus clarkus's Avatar
marcus clarkus marcus clarkus is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 209
marcus clarkus is on a distinguished road
marcus clarkus marcus clarkus is offline
Member
marcus clarkus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 209
marcus clarkus is on a distinguished road
1st Breakdown... Time to pull the transmission

I'm sad to say my 4Runner left me stranded for the first time. A week prior I had just finished up a 3500 mile road trip out to the PNW towing a pop-camper and had zero issues the entire trip. But this past weekend, I took a short trip out to the mountains and while driving into town I heard a noise as I pressed the clutch pedal and the pedal dropped to the floor. I coasted as much as I could in neutral, then jammed it into 1st to get into a parking spot.

My first thought was the Clutch Master Cylinder. But the fluid level was good, there were no leaks, and the Slave Cylinder still moved when my girlfriend pumped the pedal.

Next thought was the Clutch Release Fork had broken since it was able to wiggle around a lot. I had my insurance tow the vehicle home and tonight took a better look with a flashlight.

The Clutch Release Fork looks fine. The fork pivot bolt also looks fine. But where the fork pivot bolt screws into the bellhousing... that's what I heard break.





I haven't pulled the whole transmission yet but I'm pretty sure the bellhousing (not the main Transmission Case) has the threads for the fork pivot bolt. So it looks like I'll need to track down a R150F transmission that I can take bellhousing off of. I guess the good news is that I don't need a whole new transmission. Anyone in the Front Range area of Colorado know of any leads?

Reference images for those interested (click to enlarge):

__________________
1999 Toyota 4Runner SR5 V6 4x4 5spd - 317k miles as of Feb 2024

3D Printed SR5 Mudflaps
FS: 3D Printed Outlet Covers - Convert rear ashtray to 12V/USB outlets
marcus clarkus is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-25-2020, 12:35 AM #2
Devbot's Avatar
Devbot Devbot is online now
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Monroe, WA
Posts: 2,196
Real Name: Devan
Devbot is a splendid one to behold Devbot is a splendid one to behold Devbot is a splendid one to behold Devbot is a splendid one to behold Devbot is a splendid one to behold Devbot is a splendid one to behold Devbot is a splendid one to behold Devbot is a splendid one to behold
Devbot Devbot is online now
Senior Member
Devbot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2020
Location: Monroe, WA
Posts: 2,196
Real Name: Devan
Devbot is a splendid one to behold Devbot is a splendid one to behold Devbot is a splendid one to behold Devbot is a splendid one to behold Devbot is a splendid one to behold Devbot is a splendid one to behold Devbot is a splendid one to behold Devbot is a splendid one to behold
Always glad to see someone attempting to fix it instead of going "welp tranny is smoked better crush the car." Especially a manual 3rd gen, they seem to be increasingly rare these days.
__________________
Y2K Highlander Millennium Silver 3.4L auto @ 320k and climbing
Toytecs + 5100s / 7.5 wrap + OME spacers + Tokicos / JBA UCAs / Anonymous Fab. LBJs / Total Chaos Gussets / EimKeith PCK + LCAR / Extended Bump Stops; Brake Lines; Rear Diff Breather / True North Fab. Hybrid Bumper / CBI Hybrid Bumper + Tire Carrier / 4xInnovations Hybrid Sliders / Opt Offroad Trailing Arms / Lil Skip Gas Skid / BudBuilt Front Skid / ARB Rear Locker
Devbot is online now   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-25-2020, 02:13 AM #3
HiLife HiLife is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Trying to figure this out
Posts: 1,462
HiLife is just really nice HiLife is just really nice HiLife is just really nice HiLife is just really nice
HiLife HiLife is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Trying to figure this out
Posts: 1,462
HiLife is just really nice HiLife is just really nice HiLife is just really nice HiLife is just really nice
What are the chances of that happening? Damn.
I hope leads pop up for you so you can get your rig back on the road.
The blessings part is, luckily the break didn't happen when you were wheeling it deep in the mountains.
HiLife is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-25-2020, 10:36 PM #4
marcus clarkus's Avatar
marcus clarkus marcus clarkus is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 209
marcus clarkus is on a distinguished road
marcus clarkus marcus clarkus is offline
Member
marcus clarkus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 209
marcus clarkus is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by HiLife View Post
What are the chances of that happening? Damn.
I hope leads pop up for you so you can get your rig back on the road.
The blessings part is, luckily the break didn't happen when you were wheeling it deep in the mountains.
Yep for sure. I was lucky I was in a safe spot to break down and easily get a tow.

I'm not sure what the chances of this happening are, but from my research I'm not the first. I think what contributed to it failing was:

1. High mileage (270k miles)

2. Lots of mountain highway driving which leads to hard/fast shifts. When I need to downshift from 4th to 3rd on a steep mountain highway, I do it somewhat aggressively so the shift happens fast and I don't slow down too much when I'm between gears.

3. Not enough lubrication (maybe). I replaced my clutch at 210k miles and my friend assembled the clutch fork while I was doing something else. I remember asking "did you put grease in the areas where I showed you earlier on that factory service manual page?" and he said "uh yeah I think"
I was rushing and should have checked his work but didn't. There was only a smudge of mushy/dirty grease at the ball-fork interface. If the friction here is too high, I could see it sticking and putting more stress on the bellhousing. I'll definitely use good high-temp grease on it and maybe reapply a little dab halfway through the clutch life. This is just my theory though.
__________________
1999 Toyota 4Runner SR5 V6 4x4 5spd - 317k miles as of Feb 2024

3D Printed SR5 Mudflaps
FS: 3D Printed Outlet Covers - Convert rear ashtray to 12V/USB outlets
marcus clarkus is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-26-2020, 04:30 AM #5
makeitso2008 makeitso2008 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Ohio
Posts: 7
makeitso2008 is on a distinguished road
makeitso2008 makeitso2008 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Ohio
Posts: 7
makeitso2008 is on a distinguished road
damn i thought my issues was my transfer case but i maybe in the same boat. I have a 4th gen though
makeitso2008 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-26-2020, 08:56 AM #6
mtbtim's Avatar
mtbtim mtbtim is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: San Jose, California
Age: 58
Posts: 5,274
Real Name: Tim
mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute
mtbtim mtbtim is offline
Elite Member
mtbtim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: San Jose, California
Age: 58
Posts: 5,274
Real Name: Tim
mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute mtbtim has a reputation beyond repute
I see you found our 2 part video for a Clutch Replacement. Hope it helps you out with the job. If you watched the whole video, you know we had major issues removing the bell housing bolts. Our reason for pulling the bell housing was to replace the input shaft seal as part of the clutch job, but after breaking off 3 bolts and having to drill them out and retap them, we decided to screw replacing the seal. If I were you, I'd approach the removal of those bell housing bolts very carefully. There is something about steel bolts into aluminum housings where corrosion basically welds the two together. We used an impact gun at first and I think that was a big mistake. Try removing them with a conventional ratchet and socket. Most will most likely come out without a fight. Those that fight you I would try the heat and penetrating oil over and over again to try to get them out cleanly and not breaking them off. Hope the job goes smooth for you.

Timmy the Toolman
__________________
"My old man is a television repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it!"

Last edited by mtbtim; 08-26-2020 at 09:11 AM.
mtbtim is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 08-27-2020, 12:34 AM #7
marcus clarkus's Avatar
marcus clarkus marcus clarkus is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 209
marcus clarkus is on a distinguished road
marcus clarkus marcus clarkus is offline
Member
marcus clarkus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 209
marcus clarkus is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by makeitso2008 View Post
damn i thought my issues was my transfer case but i maybe in the same boat. I have a 4th gen though
Nope, this is a manual transmission. You must have an auto if you have a 4th gen.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mtbtim View Post
I see you found our 2 part video for a Clutch Replacement. Hope it helps you out with the job. If you watched the whole video, you know we had major issues removing the bell housing bolts. Our reason for pulling the bell housing was to replace the input shaft seal as part of the clutch job, but after breaking off 3 bolts and having to drill them out and retap them, we decided to screw replacing the seal. If I were you, I'd approach the removal of those bell housing bolts very carefully. There is something about steel bolts into aluminum housings where corrosion basically welds the two together. We used an impact gun at first and I think that was a big mistake. Try removing them with a conventional ratchet and socket. Most will most likely come out without a fight. Those that fight you I would try the heat and penetrating oil over and over again to try to get them out cleanly and not breaking them off. Hope the job goes smooth for you.

Timmy the Toolman
Yes I did see your video and the struggles you hard with bolts breaking. I replaced my clutch about two years ago (before the video was made) but I will definitely use your video to jog my memory in some areas. Thank you as always!
I bought a bell housing today for $100 from a scrapyard and I’m going to be extremely cautious when removing the bolts to my broken bell housing. Fingers crossed...
__________________
1999 Toyota 4Runner SR5 V6 4x4 5spd - 317k miles as of Feb 2024

3D Printed SR5 Mudflaps
FS: 3D Printed Outlet Covers - Convert rear ashtray to 12V/USB outlets
marcus clarkus is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Tags
bolt , clutch , fork , pivot , transmission

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Opinion: Push or Pull Fan for Transmission Cooler psraff 3rd gen T4Rs 52 06-22-2016 09:29 PM
What happens when it is time for a new/rebuilt transmission? xcmountain80 3rd gen T4Rs 7 11-14-2012 04:11 PM
Front End Parts Breakdown biglar 3rd gen T4Rs 7 09-12-2011 11:31 AM
Backcountry Breakdown jmrwd3 3rd gen T4Rs 5 05-27-2008 10:37 AM
Ready to buy.... price breakdown.... mandercruso 4th Gen T4Rs 21 06-13-2005 08:32 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:33 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
***This site is an unofficial Toyota site, and is not officially endorsed, supported, authorized by or affiliated with Toyota. All company, product, or service names references in this web site are used for identification purposes only and may be trademarks of their respective owners. The Toyota name, marks, designs and logos, as well as Toyota model names, are registered trademarks of Toyota Motor Corporation***Ad Management plugin by RedTyger
 
Copyright © 2020