I think Devbot's point is that this isn't a 3rd Gen specific issue, and that the California 'mandate' is definitely political. Might fit the "Off Topic" category better. My two cents.

As battery energy density continues to rise EV will take more market share.

if life has shown me anything: it's that people are lazy and something that costs less and is easier to use will win out. convenience wins for the mass of people.

charging stations have shown up at the Target store by my house already. Plug your tesla in while you grab your target run. it's real and it's happening. I personally know 2 people who own tesla's and they say they will never go back to ICE.

the other thing it has shown me is that markets are diverse, way more diverse than most people believe. back in the 1970's there was one kind of spaghetti sauce. only one god dam sauce, but today there are 30-40 different kinds. This market fragmentation will continue and making generalizations will never hold 100% of the time. This will be the case with transportation going forward. it might take another 30-40 years to sunset ICE but it will happen in most of the US light car/truck domestic market.

I can live with that, happening in 40 years. I know time changes everything, but don’t know about 15 years. Hell we were suppose to have flying cars by now like in the movies. Even then we should be able to choose what vehicle we want to drive. People still drive cars made in the 50’s so maybe it’ll be like that. Are 4Runners will be classics.

in the 50's they were thinking about putting people on the moon and they went for it. They were seeing incredible change. My grandfather rode his horse to school. Think of the change they saw in their lifetime. they were thinking "wow we can do anything"

you have to set a goal, a deadline, and you have to push for it. that is political part of it, people will form clubs and movements to resist anything now days. A lot of people don't think ahead and unless somebody is dragging them kicking and screaming they just want to fight anything. I think it's just fighting something/anything that people want.

The market will decide. The outcomes may be interesting.

I work for a company that did a green vehicle pilot about a decade ago. I enthusiastically jumped into the program and got a hybrid company vehicle. Early on, I decided I would have the highest MPG in the entire fleet, so I did it all - hypermiling, no AC in summer, no heat in winter, etc.

Guess what - I got beat every month. Every Month! By a POS 1997 Ford Taurus assigned to a guy who drove less than 100 miles most months. No matter what I did, a well broken in ICE beat my hybrid. We had 600+ vehicle fleet, so being number 2 was an accomplishment, but I couldn’t beat that old Ford over a two year period.

I also noted that a decade ago, I averaged 18% less efficiency in the months the weather got below 40 degrees F. Similar story in Canada, Lithium Ion batteries struggle in the temperature ranges that a majority of Americans live.

Now my company has a few dozen all electric one-ton trucks. They have to be garaged at least six months a year due to low temperatures. That was never necessary for ICE vehicles.

Gavin Newsom is clown. His move was trolling Trump and EPA, timed to distract from the missteps his administration made in Fire season preparedness. To Newsom’s credit, it worked...

That's both absolutely hilarious and very sad about the Rubicon charging station! So much for untouched wilderness huh. Well, it looks like Jeep really is trying to make it work! Just like the all electric Hummer that's coming out soon, they are making a go at making off-roading electric.

No, range anxiety isn't much of a thing anymore that I have seen. Gone are the days of the Nissan Leaf and Chevy Spark with sub 100 mile range. There's even a charging station at the grocery store right next to my house.
The reason why I think the state won't go 100% electric for new car says is that the excitement will lose momentum. If you recall back to when hybrids were new and the Toyota Echo/Prius entered the scene people were excited to own one because it was new tech. Manufacturers were scrambling to develop hybrid tech but many ended up buying Toyota's to get their cars to market faster. I own a Nissan Altima hybrid and it's got a Toyota hybrid engine and powertrain in it.

After a while, everyone who wanted a hybrid, had a hybrid. Prius sales have dropped dramatically in recent years. Everyone who wanted on has one and yes, they do replace them with new ones but the point I'm trying to make is they only captured so much of the total market. I believe the same will happen with electric cars. There's been 10,000's of pre-sales for Teslas over the past few years because people are excited about the new technology. But will Tesla go the way of the Prius and become "boring" and people lose the excitement over electric cars? I believe so.

Personally, I think hydrogen cars have a bright future as it would be a simpler transition to turn gas stations into hydrogen stations (as opposed to converting them to electric charging stations). But there's little excitement about hydrogen so it may not catch on.

This is all just speculation and my opinion. Your opinion will vary and I hope it does as if we all thought the same and did the same this would be a very bland and boring world!

I don’t know how they will have a charging port for everyone that lives in the city, apartments, skyscrapers. California can’t even keep houses powered with electricity.

I agree hydrogen is the next jump. Toyota and Honda have been researching it for years. Hybrid and electric vehicles will be a bridge gap to alternative energy vehicles.

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Lol no. while they're already on this path, this is just another thing that's going to cripple their economy.

Really hoping that this electric vehicle fad dies down soon so we can get back to reality.

We already have enough trash in landfills, we don't need it to be full of batteries. Batteries that are very difficult to recycle already, much less is anyone who wants electric cars going to fork out the money or effort to recycle them. Next, the massive increase in electrical needs to charge all those cars that would result in higher co2 emissions. Where does most of our juice come from? Coal.
For some reason a lot of environmentalists are not on board with nuclear, so none of that's going to improve anytime soon. Wind and solar, while useful sometimes, are pathetic and the grand scheme of things...

Nuclear is the future, it's what we should be focusing on. Not toy cars slap full of dangerous chemicals. Lol

Lol I just thought about that.

"Hey guys can you turn off your ac and not charge your cars this week? We closed down another one of those evil nuclear reactors! So rejoice!"

On the nuclear side of things. A scientist in Europe found a way to use lasers to shorten half life of nuclear waste to 18 months to perfectly safe. If this gets perfected. Nuclear waste will be a thing of the past.

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Why don't they try to resolve the homeless problem first, its everywhere there and it looks terrible

This is a great thread. Lots of good ideas and observations about the problems of introducing any new emerging technology. I’m sure there were similar discussions and complaints when gas powered cars overtook horses for transportation.

And speaking about space flight, the goal of reaching the moon in the 1960s made it necessary to create new supporting technologies to make it possible, like electronics, materials, adhesives, alloys. And Velcro! Can you imagine trying to stuff a bunch of vacuum tubes in a space capsule? The technology did not exist at the time the moon landing goal was set. Nor was the understanding of some aspects of orbital mechanics or low gravity effects, or vacuum effects on materials.

At the time I remember the protests: “Why are we spending billions going to the moon when we have all these problems on earth? Poverty, racial tension, homelessness, infrastructure, war, etc, etc.” Well, we still have all those problems today. Should we not reach for goals until we solve all other issues? We should be able to multi-task.

You have a goal, sometimes politically created, push ahead, early success, find problems, develop solutions, push ahead, find problems, etc., rinse and repeat. Just like the development of any new electronic gizmo we all have in our homes or hands. Only on a larger scale.

I can't tell you how many times I've said I'm happy not to be on PG&E. Lots of my friends are and they have their power cut often in 100 degree heat. Fun times. Not to mention they charge 2-3 times the costs of smaller power companies in the area like SMUD and Roseville Electric.

Nuclear has tons of potential but we've yet learned how to make them disaster proof. Just when they were catching on again after Chernobyl the Fukushima plant melted down during the tsunami. I'm not sure governments want to even touch nuclear now, it's so unpopular. For the record, I grew up 10 miles from a nuclear power plant and I felt safe near it. But we did live on a major earthquake fault so there was always a chance it could be damaged in a major quake.

The energy industry is such a complex puzzle. There's no one-size fits all for every part of the US.

Actually, most of the electricity in the US is now generated by burning natural gas. Coal use is decreasing.
But yeah, nuclear needs to get more attention.

Electricity in the U.S. - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

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