10-25-2020, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 04rnr
I personally know lots of people that could afford it, my guess they will sell out out fast.
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Well I am talking about average folk, not rich folk. haha.
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10-25-2020, 10:50 PM
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Until these batteries last 20years/300,000mi without losing efficiency and can push a 4x4 4Runner type vehicle down the road for 400miles non stop, and work in cold weather (heating the batteries) heating my windshield and arse, again without sacrificing tooo much efficiency I'm all in. But when I hear about the cold weather issues, replacement battery availability, replacement battery cost, extraction/mining processes(regional environmental enforcement non existent in many cases) battery manufacturing and disposal(again regional Eviro enforcement questionable) and efficiency loss every year of ownership due to battery degradation, not including the initial cost of ownership I'm out until they get it worked out so that it is actually "green" to drive the electric vehicle. Oddly enough I was just listening to some guy on the news with a 2nd hand Nissan Leaf, needs a new battery due to loss of range and age, think his was 6 years old(warranty is 94months 100,000mi), can't find a replacement battery, and if he wants 62kWh batteries it would run him $15,000 in Canada and it was suggested that he dispose of the car and get a new one at that cost, again not very "green", I'm all for electric cars and majored as an Environmental Technician -protection and compliance, but the technology just isn't there. A side note, Teslas door handles don't work to good in snowy freezing conditions, and I was told to take a better look at the fit and finish and products used to make it, but time will tell how they hold up I guess. Perhaps EV's are best left for use in the Southern Hemisphere or congested cities where trips are short and plugins are plentiful, and those in Cold climates can enjoy our efficient long lasting self heating petrol engines than can be filled up in 4 minutes and go another 400mi, imagine what the wait times at the charging stations would be like lol, and I didn't even touch on the infrastructure needed and is the charge going to be free while out and about? Or is the Government going to cover that cost with our tax dollars like they are doing to cover the costs of infrastructure they are installing to promote this "green" EV lol, Again I'm all for EV's when the technology is ready to make it actually green.
Edit: it should be noted that Tesla sued the Ontario Canada Gov for backing out of rebates of up to $14,000 for the purchase of Tesla's, so perhaps my opinion is bias, but to be honest rich people buying 50-60k CAD$ cars can pay for it themselves without tax rebates and reduction of plate and sticker cost/renewal, I realize it's an incentive to promote change but I think they can afford if they want, and in the mean time tax payers are funding the infrastructure aswell.
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10-25-2020, 11:40 PM
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^^^ Amen. The "green" factor is 100% a façade and outright lie. They point their finger at you for using fossil fuels, you point your finger back for them supporting foreign strip mining (an industry that is by no means green and commonly coupled with deforestation, workers/human rights issues, heavily reliant on shipping freight, etc), and suddenly it's all shrugs and shoulders. But "gasoline bad, electricity good."
At a point I feel like it's almost a fad, and will give way for something like propane powered cars.
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10-26-2020, 12:35 AM
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^^ agreed, NAT Gas or Propane would be better and more inline with existing vehicles and existing infrastructure. But even the petrol engines are leaps and bounds advanced in reduction of emissions, I'm sure the fuel burnt to extract the materials to build the EV batteries and then ship it across the ocean and then recycle and replace the Batteries over there short lifespan add up to the same environmental emissions or more and a larger environmental footprint/impact as the existing petrol vehicle, but I'll admit I'm guessing, but it's not adding up IMO.
And let's not forget the cost to tax payers for all of this, it rises the cost of living, and in Canada we extract natural resources to make money, so guess what, We'll have to extract more resources, or raise the costs of those resources and work a little harder, and it will roll down down hill for everyone from there, raising the costs of everything.
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10-26-2020, 10:57 AM
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I think the new hummer has a lot of new technologies that GM is trying to develop and test out. I'm glad they chose to do it on a rich person's vehicle who most likely has other vehicles if this one fails or needs to be at the dealership for a long period of time. New technology is necessary to develop the electric vehicles to bridge the gap between internal combustion engines availability and range anxiety in order to bring them more into the common marketplace.
As far as electric vehicles in general, I approve of trying to develop a greener transportation. Unfortunately the electric vehicle market is in a catch 22. The charging network isn't as vast as gas stations so most people aren't buying an electric car which in turn slows the development of the charging network. Electric cars aren't feasible in my opinion where the electric grid is already stressed to the point of blackouts and greyouts. Those areas need the entire electric network/grid upgraded before even considering a charging network that the electric network/grid can handle in addition to the normal electrical loads like summer HVAC electrical use.
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10-27-2020, 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Malcolm99
^^ agreed, NAT Gas or Propane would be better and more inline with existing vehicles and existing infrastructure. But even the petrol engines are leaps and bounds advanced in reduction of emissions, I'm sure the fuel burnt to extract the materials to build the EV batteries and then ship it across the ocean and then recycle and replace the Batteries over there short lifespan add up to the same environmental emissions or more and a larger environmental footprint/impact as the existing petrol vehicle, but I'll admit I'm guessing, but it's not adding up IMO.
And let's not forget the cost to tax payers for all of this, it rises the cost of living, and in Canada we extract natural resources to make money, so guess what, We'll have to extract more resources, or raise the costs of those resources and work a little harder, and it will roll down down hill for everyone from there, raising the costs of everything.
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To the cost added in canada, don't forget the crazy incentives they give for those battery car buyers. Here in quebec you get about 12500$ cash from the ''government'' (you and me) when someone buys one, plus the ''government'' pays for the installation of the electric charger plug, and then gives you some free pass on some bridge. All of this is going out of my pocket, and I don't like it at all. All of that for a vehicle with a green façade that is overall no better and maybe worse than a gas car.
Also, imagine a world with no older used car (batteries deteriorates chemically), you have that single mom that wants to have a reliable 5000$ toyota car, but can't because these would kill the used market for good.
One of the biggest scam of the century.
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