Hey guys,

I asked the same question about the Bronco. What do you guys think of the new Hummer? Is it just another mall crawler or is it a serious performer?

What are your thoughts on electric rigs in general? Is there too much of a risk of range anxiety?

LMK your thoughts!

I love it and the innovation it brings. Although a $112K price tag makes it a bit out of my price range...

We’ve been watching “long way up” and they support crews have been using Rivian pickups, which are very much prototypes, but I’ve gained a new respect for them.

Ugly as hell, a price no one can afford. Meh

Expensive, will take some getting used to, they put out big torque and should be very good off road. may as well get used to them because they will be the only vehicle power train in 10 years.

This.

Imagine the awesomeness of being able to dial each of four wheels from 0 to 100% power according to the situation. diagonally opposite, three of four, whatever you want. Even left side forward, right side back. I doubt this Hummer does that, but it would be easily in reach of the technology.

Crab walk.

Not only will you be able to dial the power to each wheel, but without a central engine and drivetrain, the suspension can be aligned vertically with a lot less limitations for height. All theoretical now but once they are committed the auto industry will put out some awesome offroad vehicles. The military is already heading in that direction

I agree. While the Hummer specifically is far too expensive and while GM seems to be throwing whatever at the wall in the hope something sticks, the tech is proving itself thanks to Tesla. Hopefully Rivian/Ford will pull it off as well. It is exceptionally hard to imitate what Tesla has done down to writing their own software and building their own robots. I don't know if Tesla will really move upstream in lithium production, but as is, they are already the Ford T of today. For Ford, it means going back to their roots of vertical integration. At least Ford has proven they can survive tough challenges on their own.

Whatever the Cybertruck looks like, it will be a blast to drive on and off-road. Sure, too big for far too many trails to be of interest to me, but in open spaces, watch out. A mid-size Tesla truck would be very appealing to me in the 2030s once the new tech is proven enough for remote offroad use. Not that I would ever sell the 4R, but I would add a Tesla truck one day.

As for generic gas vehicles that get us around town and between major towns, I think it is starting to be dangerous to buy new ones, especially from manufacturers that already have bad resale values.

I am not sure when it will happen (who could know for sure?) but when it does, the falling off a cliff in the resale value of generic gas vehicles will likely be spectacular. Wranglers, Toyota trucks, WRXs, etc will last longer, in my opinion. But basic transportation vehicles? I don't think the gas ones have more than a decade left on economic basis alone.

And by generic, I even mean some of the best all-around gas vehicles. Think about this. For a long time, I was a poster child for Subarus. I laughed at Tesla for too long. I failed to look hard enough and see the scope and depth of what is happening. Recently, one of my closest friends was shocked when I argued that he should buy a Model Y instead of an XT Outback. The reality is that the Outback you want today (the turbo version) is not cheaper enough to justify itself vs a Model Y. And I have more faith in Tesla batteries now than I do in Subaru CVT.

Here is why electric pure plays can capture nearly everyone's excitement:
--clean;
--much less maintenance/fewer parts to break;
--exceptional road performance at a price that many can afford now;

It is enough that you care for just one of the above three, to make the switch.

The wild card is autonomous vehicles. I am not sold that these would be everywhere in just 5 years, but once autonomous vehicles do become a thing, the economics of gas ones will absolutely collapse (since gas ones cannot compete with electrics when used as much as autonomous ones will be).

Long story short, dead on arrival. Whole lotta complex gimmicks that I'm sure not many people trust GM to get right, considering they can barely make a normal running car.
99% of the reason we've seen so many EVs in the past 2 years alone is because Tesla can't be bought out, but they can certainly be drowned out.
I have a strong stance against EVs but I do like Rimac. Very cool company and people. Acquiring Bugatti would be a huge power move for them, if the deal goes through.

With all of tesla's problems it still is one is the top dog. RivIan is going to get bought out buy amazon and then it will be a horse race.

I think this $100,000 plus vehicle is analogous to the first digital cameras: They cost $23,000 and only the large press agencies and major publishers could afford them. Now they're common and relatively cheap.
I'd guess it'll be about 10 years before they (electric 4WDs) become commonplace and normally priced.

I love my internal combustion engine and what freedom it brings. If people want battery cars, good for me, but I'll settle with my gasoline trucks for the foreseeable future. Like the sound, they heat it procures for free during the winter, love everything about it.

I do lots of road long road trips, also sleep in the car pretty often, and I like to keep my vehicles for very long. A battery will chemically degrade over time, nothing you can do about that. My 400 000 KM 4runner still has the same autonomy as new.

Hope Toyota will leave the choice to the buyer whether they want gas, hybrid or battery. Freedom of choice is also important.

As for a battery Hummer, I personally thing it's a travesty. Could have kept that for another model, not for the icon which is the hummer.

I personally know lots of people that could afford it, my guess they will sell out out fast.

I agree it is the future but I won't even consider one until they've proven themselves as rugged long lasting machines. Especially at such a premium price point.

That being said, they COMPLETELY lost me at the 24 wirelessly monitored liquid cooled/heated batteries under the passenger compartment.