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Old 03-19-2021, 11:52 PM #16
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Hi all,

I was on Amazon recently and started looking at LED bulbs for the 99.

Can anyone give me some of their experience with them. Do they have a high beam / low beam? Any recommendations would be good too.

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Do it. They work great. Yes people will flash you but those idiots would flash you even with regular halogen bulbs.
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I have some Sealight retrofit led bulbs in my 2000. The pattern is good, the cutoff looks almost like a projector. Maybe 1% of the lights scatters out of the intended area. I tried them on a whim, knowing I could return them, and was shocked at how good the pattern is. Many (Most) LED replacements are awful. Somebody figured out how to make them not suck. Just get ones that don't suck, and aim them properly.
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Anybody even thinking of installing "drop in" LED bulbs in housings designed for halogen bulbs should take a look at this:

Why Most LED Headlight Upgrades Don't Really Work: An Expert Explains

If that doesn't convince you, here's something a little closer to the (Toyota) home:

Why LEDs should not be run in Halogen reflectors | Tacoma World

I've been experimenting with improved lighting on vehicles since I bought my very first new car - a 1976 Toyota Corolla SR5 Liftback. I can't tell you how many different lights, bulbs, harnesses and other stuff I've tried over the years. LED bulbs are just the latest fad and although some of them are barely passable, most of them are just junk. (BeamTech and Auxbeam are just a few of the poorest.)

The excessive glare issue has been somewhat solved by a few of the better manufacturers as of late. The cheap stuff still has this problem. Funny thing though. People who bought these cheap bulbs used to stand in front of their vehicle and take pictures to show "how bright" their new bulbs were. What they were actually showing was how much more glare they had installed.

The new problem that has been created is excessive foreground light. The better manufacturers have dramatically reduced glare by directing light downward. Most users don't see this as a problem though because they say "Look at how much light is in front of my vehicle and nobody flashes me." What they don't realize is that they have lost almost all distance projection. Is that bad? Not if you don't mind cruising straight into the deer standing in the road just out of your new headlight bulb's range.

If you want my 2 cents, although the better drop in LED bulbs are better than the cheap junk, they're not actually better than a good halogen bulb. Oh, and they're still illegal. No reputable manufacturer will sell you a set.
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Anybody even thinking of installing "drop in" LED bulbs in housings designed for halogen bulbs should take a look at this:

Why Most LED Headlight Upgrades Don't Really Work: An Expert Explains

If that doesn't convince you, here's something a little closer to the (Toyota) home:

Why LEDs should not be run in Halogen reflectors | Tacoma World

I've been experimenting with improved lighting on vehicles since I bought my very first new car - a 1976 Toyota Corolla SR5 Liftback. I can't tell you how many different lights, bulbs, harnesses and other stuff I've tried over the years. LED bulbs are just the latest fad and although some of them are barely passable, most of them are just junk. (BeamTech and Auxbeam are just a few of the poorest.)

The excessive glare issue has been somewhat solved by a few of the better manufacturers as of late. The cheap stuff still has this problem. Funny thing though. People who bought these cheap bulbs used to stand in front of their vehicle and take pictures to show "how bright" their new bulbs were. What they were actually showing was how much more glare they had installed.

The new problem that has been created is excessive foreground light. The better manufacturers have dramatically reduced glare by directing light downward. Most users don't see this as a problem though because they say "Look at how much light is in front of my vehicle and nobody flashes me." What they don't realize is that they have lost almost all distance projection. Is that bad? Not if you don't mind cruising straight into the deer standing in the road just out of your new headlight bulb's range.

If you want my 2 cents, although the better drop in LED bulbs are better than the cheap junk, they're not actually better than a good halogen bulb. Oh, and they're still illegal. No reputable manufacturer will sell you a set.

I wish PA State Troopers still had a hardon for aftermarket lights like they did in the 80’s and 90’s. The worse for me are the blazers and cherokees with the led headlight replacements, or people running their led light bar. I see it all the time.


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I have some Sealight retrofit led bulbs in my 2000. The pattern is good, the cutoff looks almost like a projector. Maybe 1% of the lights scatters out of the intended area. I tried them on a whim, knowing I could return them, and was shocked at how good the pattern is. Many (Most) LED replacements are awful. Somebody figured out how to make them not suck. Just get ones that don't suck, and aim them properly.
@thenightman which sealight bulbs did you buy?
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I installed Oxilam brand from Amazon about 3 months ago.

They don't scatter the light. They produce a pretty focused beam and you can spin them after install to align them correctly.

I do hate LEDs in non LED housings as much as the next guy, but these have been good.

Took some getting used to. They produce more light, but I prefer the OEM color over pure white.

I have yellow fogs, that I only use for fog and the contrast is good in those conditions.

I also have small LED light pods (Whelen Ions) in my grill to fill the gap between the front bumper and where the new LED headlight initially hits the road. I only use those in very dark areas, when there is no oncoming traffic, and the combination provides what I'd consider a good field of view.

I never get flashed, and checked for glare from an oncoming vehicles perspective before I drove with them.

If you look at the reviews alot of them are written by other 3rd gen owners. That's what convinced me to try them.

I should note that I have intentional truck like rake so the rear if my vehicle is higher than the front. I doubt that plays a huge role in light angle, but thought it was worth mentioning.
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LED's cant be any worse than the headlights in newer cars. Try driving a smaller car and you'll see how blinding they are, even from several hundred feet away. They newer jeeps are the worst.
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This. Some good info here Drop-in headlight upgrade?

The reason people think "plug and play" LED (and HID) bulbs is brighter is due to the increase in glare/scatter from the beam pattern being screwed up by those light sources. Think of it as basically driving with your high highbeams all the time...yup you can see better at the expense of oncoming drivers.

If you want more highbeam performance you can hide a 14" or so LED light bar behind the grill. I have a spot/flood combo from Harbor Freight wired to a relay triggered by the highbeams, going to wire a switch to it though since it's overkill for driving through the suburbs or flash-to-pass in the daytime.
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so i recently yanked out some sealight led from a rig i got in june. while the were bright...the distance they shot was crap. went back to halogens. I think the issue could be that the LED bulbs are not set into the reflector cone...what ever the word is...so the light does not bounce back on the the rear reflector of the housing. it does make a difference. I think the LED retrofits for our rigs need to have all the LED's as far up front as poosible to get that bounce back.
not that this would effect many of you...LEDs run cool....halogens run hot...when it is snowing at minus 20...its nice to have the extra heat to blow snow off your lights......that was the other issue I had with the LED...i constantly had snow build up on my headlights...no difference in my driving pattern etc...could have been in my brain...doubt it.
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i have also learned that a light bar can make a big difference. up here they are called moose lights.cause the moose are brown...jump out like a deer can..well they walk out cause they think they are the kings...but weigh three times or more the weight and stand tall...like there legs are as tall as our hoods...boom...you and your rig can be toast and having 1000 plus pounds bounce over your hood and hit your windshield is nasty.. big time.... yes you can get projector headlight retro fits for $$$$.
moose lights are not legal for road use in many places. so be aware on that. up here....the cops turn a blind eye to them...they run them too.. as long as your not blinding traffic and they turn a blind eye to many other things we do to survive winter.
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so i recently yanked out some sealight led from a rig i got in june. while the were bright...the distance they shot was crap. went back to halogens. I think the issue could be that the LED bulbs are not set into the reflector cone...what ever the word is...so the light does not bounce back on the the rear reflector of the housing. it does make a difference. I think the LED retrofits for our rigs need to have all the LED's as far up front as posible to get that bounce back.
You are correct in that drop in LED "bulbs" do not play well in housings designed for a halogen bulb - no matter what the manufacturers / sellers of them say. Here's a couple of links to explain why. BTW, the guy who wrote the thread in TW is one of the world's leading experts on automotive lighting. He knows his stuff and he doesn't play any favorites or pull any punches. He also does extensive testing to back up his points.

Why LEDs should not be run in Halogen reflectors | Tacoma World

Why Most LED Headlight Upgrades Don't Really Work: An Expert Explains

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@thenightman which sealight bulbs did you buy?
Amazon.com: SEALIGHT H4 LED Headlight Bulbs, 9003/HB2 LED Headlight Bulb, High Low Beam, 12,000 Lumens High Brightness, 6000K Cool White, S3 Series : Automotive

The brights are brighter then before, and so are the lows. The cutoff is shockingly good for what it is. Yes, projectors are better, in basically every way. But these are significantly less expensive, make a lot of light, and I haven't been flashed yet. It's a great on road compromise, in my humble opinion.

I see a lot of led bulbs that have a god awful pattern, I did a little research before I bought these. Aim them well.
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I'm one who doesn't think you can retrofit a LED bulb (2d light source into a housing designed for 3d light). Saw this mini projector a few weeks back that piqued my interest though (direct replacement for the h4 bulb, have to remove the glare guard inside the housing):



from here: AILEO Canbus 90W/Pair Lamp H4 LED Mini Projector Lens Automobles Bulb 20000LM Conversion Kit Hi/Lo Beam Headlight 12V24V RHD LHD|Car Headlight Bulbs(LED)| - AliExpress

plenty of other brands. Seems too cheap to be any good though and I've yet to see any other information about this type/size/style so I'm not in any rush to waste my money.
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