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Old 07-09-2021, 01:20 AM #46
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Thank you both as that’s useful info to know! I was potentially considering these:

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Will see if I do go with them or not. I don’t foresee the need to remove the grill once this is all done since I will replace the radiator too, but might be better if I mount the control box as mentioned.
I didn’t realize how many things require removing the grill, like when I did my headlight retrofits lol. FWIW warns are probably one of the best winches on the market, but you gotta ask yourself are you going to be winching all the time? Warns are a must if your winching everyday but if your only winching like 10-20 times per year you’d be fine with a SB IMO. That’s why I went with SB at least, lot of happy ppl with SB’s.
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you gotta ask yourself are you going to be winching all the time?....
How I looked at it, how you do your rigging makes a difference on how much abuse your putting on winch.
Didn't use power cables supplied with winch welding cable is much better it all helps.
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THE MAGICAL EMAIL HAS ARRIVED! Finally

Sent via FedEx starting Monday and set to arrive on Thursday.

Notified 19 weeks after purchase. Set to arrive 20 weeks after purchase.
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THE MAGICAL EMAIL HAS ARRIVED! Finally

Sent via FedEx starting Monday and set to arrive on Thursday.

Notified 19 weeks after purchase. Set to arrive 20 weeks after purchase.
Stoaked for you brah! Grats.
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Stoaked for you brah! Grats.
Thanks! Timing is coincidental in that Im right in the middle of replacing all of my front end suspension components. Now I can remove the bumper and all that related stuff

Appreciate the opinion on the winch too. I dont foresee using it a lot. Just when needed and if Im guessing right, maybe a couple times a year.
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@4x3Lander , good to hear of receiving ship notice for sure, relax aye.
Things about mounting bumper there is no way to adjust body to bumper gap as it comes, it's awkward getting it mounted without dinging paint.
Before paint do a mock up, I elongated the six holes 3/8" that hold bumper to cross member so I could achieve the correct gap, no two Runners are the same.
Thin flat washers on these 6 bolts as designed is a weak link from the git go, elongating holes making it fit your Runner makes it worse.
Washers in pic are 1-9/16" square 1/4" thick stout, for ease of install 4-5/8" long bolts with head cut off makes a guide rod.
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Along the same lines, be prepared to go shopping for fasteners to finish the installation. The original tie down bracket bolts are not long enough to properly engage with the added thickness of the crossmember, so I needed four 12x1.25-40mm flange head screws:





Also, at least in my case, the 1/2"-13 screws that were supplied with the bumper (to attach the bumper to the crossmember) were all cross-threaded, so I had to get six new 1/2"-13 flange head screws:





I had a number of other issues with the bumper (e.g. the cutouts in the bumper for the fog lights were crooked), but hopefully you won't have to deal with that.
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@4x3Lander , good to hear of receiving ship notice for sure, relax aye.
Things about mounting bumper there is no way to adjust body to bumper gap as it comes, it's awkward getting it mounted without dinging paint.
Before paint do a mock up, I elongated the six holes 3/8" that hold bumper to cross member so I could achieve the correct gap, no two Runners are the same.
Thin flat washers on these 6 bolts as designed is a weak link from the git go, elongating holes making it fit your Runner makes it worse.
Washers in pic are 1-9/16" square 1/4" thick stout, for ease of install 4-5/8" long bolts with head cut off makes a guide rod.
Great advice on the mock up. When I installed my rear bumper, I was fortunate that I was able to use two FrontRunner boxes on each side of the bumper with two rolls cart things. It was perfect for the amount of times I had to line up and install the bumper. Will try that with this bumper to make it easier.

Another great idea on elongating the holes. Will definitely assist in gapping all around.

Those heavy duty square washers look perfect too. I will grab some of those. The guide rod - to line up the holes?
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Along the same lines, be prepared to go shopping for fasteners to finish the installation. The original tie down bracket bolts are not long enough to properly engage with the added thickness of the crossmember, so I needed four 12x1.25-40mm flange head screws:





Also, at least in my case, the 1/2"-13 screws that were supplied with the bumper (to attach the bumper to the crossmember) were all cross-threaded, so I had to get six new 1/2"-13 flange head screws:





I had a number of other issues with the bumper (e.g. the cutouts in the bumper for the fog lights were crooked), but hopefully you won't have to deal with that.
I REALLY appreciate this info as well! I loathe going to Home Depot / Lowes for hardware like this because they never have enough or a large variety. I appreciate the pictures of the bolts and the info for them so that I can easily buy them. After completely removing the entire front bumper assembly today, all the hardware was too rusted or in bad shape. The only bolts I was able to keep were the ones holding the tow hook.

Assuming there is hardware included with the bumper, although seems I will need to buy what you have suggested? When you say the bolts were stripped, you got them that way or you stripped them in the process?

Sorry to hear about the cutouts with the lighting. The bumper style I ordered has no lights at all, so I won’t have those issues.

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I REALLY appreciate this info as well! I loathe going to Home Depot / Lowes for hardware like this because they never have enough or a large variety. I appreciate the pictures of the bolts and the info for them so that I can easily buy them. After completely removing the entire front bumper assembly today, all the hardware was too rusted or in bad shape. The only bolts I was able to keep were the ones holding the tow hook.

Assuming there is hardware included with the bumper, although seems I will need to buy what you have suggested? When you say the bolts were stripped, you got them that way or you stripped them in the process?

Sorry to hear about the cutouts with the lighting. The bumper style I ordered has no lights at all, so I won’t have those issues.

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Go to Fastenal or whatever local fastener store is near you. Here in the PNW we have Tacoma Screw which is kick ass, but I'm not sure if they stretch down to NorCal. Sometimes local hardware/home improvement stores even have a better selection than Lowes and Home Depot - both are comically bad for any nut or bolt that isn't a shouldered, standard carriage bolt. Lowes almost carries nothing in metric usually
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Go to Fastenal or whatever local fastener store is near you. Here in the PNW we have Tacoma Screw which is kick ass, but I'm not sure if they stretch down to NorCal. Sometimes local hardware/home improvement stores even have a better selection than Lowes and Home Depot - both are comically bad for any nut or bolt that isn't a shouldered, standard carriage bolt. Lowes almost carries nothing in metric usually
Having lived in the Tacoma area for about 6 years in the past, I cant tell you how much I miss Tacoma Screw and no, there is definitely not one here in the Bay Area because if there was, I would have lived next to it I used Tacoma Screw a lot when I was building my 1st Gen MR2.

Agreed, as I should go to local hardware stores more often. Admittedly though, since Spiker Engineering provided the packaging specs of the bolts, found them instantly on Amazon for $18.50 for 10.
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Those heavy duty square washer,
The guide rod - to line up the holes?
The square washers are used with Unistrut in electrical construction local electrical supply has them.
The long headless bolt is to hang bumper on slide it into position in a controlled manner.
I had same problem with bolt threads as Spiker mentioned, get a tap to cut good threads
AOR must like using worn out taps.
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The square washers are used with Unistrut in electrical construction local electrical supply has them.
The long headless bolt is to hang bumper on slide it into position in a controlled manner.
I had same problem with bolt threads as Spiker mentioned, get a tap to cut good threads
AOR must like using worn out taps.
Ahhh, thats where I have seen those types of washers. Thanks for the reminder.

OK, looks like I am going to buy replacement bolts as Spiker did. I would buy a tap, but already investing in more tools than I planned
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