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Old 09-18-2021, 10:32 AM #16
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For manual, the low tech version (for low tech cars like my '66 Beetle):



Everyone needs to remember, NOTHING is theft Proof. If someone wants what you have badly enough, they will take it. There is Nothing you can do about it. Watch some of the UK youtube motorcycle recovery vids, GPS/trackers are essentially completely defeated by underground garages. The bikes that have ONLY GPS don't tend to be recovered (if they are, it's due to skill of the person recovering in knowing where to look, or luck). Units that combine GPS and good old fashion radio, where someone can use the GPS to get in the general area and then radio to pinpoint, those seem to have the best recovery rates.

But what happens when you go looking and approach someone with your vehicle? LEO's won't deal with that, they do Reactive work, not Proactive (meaning they clean up after things are done, don't prevent or intervene in the middle). Are you going to put your life on the line? Are you going to threaten someone else's life? Over a hunk of metal, plastic and glass?
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Bummed to hear this. I really hope you are able to get it recovered in one piece. GPS is really something I need to invest in, too.
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This is my greatest fear, because there is basically no good way to get it back. I've already installed a kill switch but there isn't much more I can do without getting radical.

I've wanted something to lock the clutch pedal and gas pedal in place so you cant drive the vehicle even if you got it started, but I haven't found a good option that allows me to use a padlock of my choice. I guess one upside of fewer manual vehicles is that fewer people know how to drive them, so fewer could steal mine.
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This is my greatest fear, because there is basically no good way to get it back. I've already installed a kill switch but there isn't much more I can do without getting radical.

I've wanted something to lock the clutch pedal and gas pedal in place so you cant drive the vehicle even if you got it started, but I haven't found a good option that allows me to use a padlock of my choice. I guess one upside of fewer manual vehicles is that fewer people know how to drive them, so fewer could steal mine.
I was taking a long road trip up to Montana and was going to be without a garage to park my 4Runner in, so without doing a kill switch, I made this thingamadoodad. It clamps around the brake arm. Cost about $20 in total (most of which is the locks) for all you see. The L bracket I had laying around, as well as the bolts / nuts. Yes, I used two bolts and nuts and need to get them welded, but haven’t done it yet. The L part of this sits on the floor board. CAN’T push the brake pedal in at all. The locks are not in the corrects holes, so ignore their placement, but basically the arm of the brake pedal sits between the two locks in the two holes that are close to each other.
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Besides hidden kill switches on relays etc. As immobilizer. I would place a hidden GPS tracker. This way if stolen our rigs can be tracked.
This is my biggest takeaway from this situation. Will never have a car without a GPS tracking device ever again.
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I was taking a long road trip up to Montana and was going to be without a garage to park my 4Runner in, so without doing a kill switch, I made this thingamadoodad. It clamps around the brake arm. Cost about $20 in total (most of which is the locks) for all you see. The L bracket I had laying around, as well as the bolts / nuts. Yes, I used two bolts and nuts and need to get them welded, but havenít done it yet. The L part of this sits on the floor board. CANíT push the brake pedal in at all. The locks are not in the corrects holes, so ignore their placement, but basically the arm of the brake pedal sits between the two locks in the two holes that are close to each other.
Damn this is clever
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Iíd like to rig up a system where if a chip of some sort attached to the key fob isnít detected the vehicle uses one of those exhaust butterfly valves to redirect the exhaust gas into the passenger compartment
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Are you going to put your life on the line? Are you going to threaten someone else's life? Over a hunk of metal, plastic and glass?
I'm afraid the answer is yes. I have and I would again. Also, cops will stand by during a self-recovery. The whole LEO/enforcement dynamic post-BLM/Defund/Covid has changed a bit so you have to play your cards right if you want backup.
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But what happens when you go looking and approach someone with your vehicle? LEO's won't deal with that, they do Reactive work, not Proactive (meaning they clean up after things are done, don't prevent or intervene in the middle). Are you going to put your life on the line? Are you going to threaten someone else's life? Over a hunk of metal, plastic and glass?
I'm definitely not going to put my or anyone else's life on the line -- just my belief. Even with everything sentimental about my truck. Hell I don't even want harm to come to the dude who just stole my truck, something that's my prized possession and basically my life. I'm in a really shitty situation financially because of this / and not having a car short term (and no money to buy another car) is a nightmare I'm not sure I'm going to figure out immediately but I'd still never want to resort to any sort of violence over this. That's just me though -- not to sound like a fkin hippy but I'm more of a what would Jesus do or whatever type of guy.

No matter the hardship I'm experiencing I value life significantly above property. But hey, some people are definitely down to shoot a guy over a missing car whatever lol just not me. That said, if someone tried to rob me or my family at knife point or something they would likely being seeing a CZ-75. Protection of people vs protection of property is extremely different.
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Iíd like to rig up a system where if a chip of some sort attached to the key fob isnít detected the vehicle uses one of those exhaust butterfly valves to redirect the exhaust gas into the passenger compartment
That'd be considered "boobytrapping"... Booby Traps Law and Legal Definition | USLegal, Inc. which is pretty much illegal everywhere.

I know, it feels good to talk about harming someone who would harm you, but it's really the wrong sort of path to take as a human being. At that point are you Really any better than they are? I mean, both stealing a car and installing a "trap" for that thief are intentional intent to harm another. Even joking about it online can bite you in the backside (remember, everything you post is "forever") should something even Remotely similar happen in your presence at any point in the future, you can guarantee any discussion about it will be brought against you.

Make your vehicle less desirable (nothing high value in/on it, or all but inaccessible by Anyone other than you), be ready, willing and able to absorb the loss, or insure it for the actual value so you don't have to absorb the financial loss all in one go. Or do a combination.

You want an alarm? How about an External loudspeaker that blares "THIS VEHICLE IS BEING STOLEN, CALL 911" when an RFID keyfob is missing. Everyone ignores the typical car alarm, but I bet That would grab the attention of everyone (including the thief who's trying to be inconspicuous). Run it off a 2nd battery that's mounted in an extremely hard to access space (speaker too, armored box under the vehicle) so it Can't be disabled easily.
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No matter the hardship I'm experiencing I value life significantly above property. That said, if someone tried to rob me or my family at knife point or something they would likely being seeing a CZ-75. Protection of people vs protection of property is extremely different.
Trust me, I feel for you in a way that only someone who's experienced the same thing themselves, can feel. As sucky as it is, the world will keep on moving, with you in it, and eventually this will just be a miserable experience in your history that molds you on your path through life. And I'm right there with you on the protection of health and life, those are the only 2 things worth aggression (Walther PPQ for me though). "Stuff" just isn't worth aggression, I've been There before too and my life is absolutely better now for not being on that path.
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Thanks, I appreciate it. It can be a bit of a pain to set up and there are probably better ways to do this, but it was quick, cheap and worked for what I needed. I will eventually improve all of it.

Anyway, good luck on your search. Really hope you get it back. I would be devastated if mine was stolen.
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Sorry to hear about this. I hope you get it back, it looks nice and you've put a lot of work into it.

Have you posted this on Tacomaworld? That forum reaches a lot more people. You could get a good bit of exposure over there.
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Don't automotive locksmiths exist? I feel like simply getting all the locks redone would outright solve the problem, if the threat are shaved/jiggle keys
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Yes, gladly They would do the same to you.
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Saw an idea a long time back where someone welded on chain links to the trans and tcase shifters. Shift into 4LO Reverse and padlock together. Good luck, ya bum!

Of course it could be backed into a flatbed…
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